English Mafia

The khaan reveal messes up my english mafia ideas. I put boudica and El Diablo in as top possibilities, but don't have anything substantial on them.

Lord Winter:

My case on Lord Winter is not substantial, largely due to his absence. However, consider the alive list:

Askthepizzaguy--believe to be brendan due to ties with LG, kill choice
LittleGrizzly--innocent result;
GeneralHankerchief--innocent result
Sasaki Kojiro--innocent
Lord Winter
serierkhaan--revealed to have a role other than oswald
Diana Abnoba
boudica--innocent result
El Diablo--innocent result

It comes down to LW vs diana. This post of LW's leads me to believe he could have targeted AVSM that night, this is a typical example of his lurking, and in this post:

Vote: YLC

Your last posts come off as too agressive.


@AtPG/Reenk

The only part that links the kill to Reenk is the clear Weenx imitation. That is all it is though an imitatioin. Look at the finer points it is missing the characteristic Wanax commentary that would Reenk put in on the Wenex kills. I'm not buying the match.
He votes a dead man, claims to have not been following the game carefully, but the one thing he does know about is the "finer points" of oswalds kill.

However, the grunts are only important if you can connect them with their godfather in some way, and LW has not posted enough for that. So, on to the Irish.

The Irish Mafia


The first round fake "lynch me":

Quote Originally Posted by pizza
With this many people, you're just going to hit an innocent or a pro-town role. Even if you got close to catching a mafia, they would just manipulate the tally and avoid it.

As such, I'm volunteering to go first. I'd like any and all votes, please.
I tried to generate discussion, but I don't see much discussion happening. I'm not the Godfather, because that would completely bury my team mates. I'd be ballsy/dumb enough to do this as a regular mafia, perhaps not on the first round, but it would be downright selfish to try such a prank if I were a Godfather. I am not any such thing. Were I a Godfather, I would have to answer to my teammates for letting them down, and seriously, no player would sabotage other people's fun by suiciding an entire team. What I set out to do has been accomplished, now I shall use my vote for more productive things. I'm quite happy being lynched, still enough votes on me to keep me near the lead, but let's try to get some lurkers talking.

unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Polemists

Just to get him talking. Couple of pressure votes ought to do it.
Complete contradiction. First said he was going to offer himself because we couldn't lynch mafia this early and might lynch a pro town role. Now he says it was "to generate discussion", but that not much discussion has happened...then he says that "what he set out to do has been accomplished", which is why he's now voting for a lurker to get more discussion going. It's clear that "what he set out to do" was make a self lynch situation with the intention of proving he isn't the godfather.

LG votes abstain, with the comment "Getting bored of lynching ATPGuy early on". It's not that he thinks it's a bad idea, he's just "bored with it"...

The Irish mafia Kill choices:

Of interest:

Seamus, given atpg's post here. See a couple posts down from that as well.

Side note: pizza votes andres here for no big reason "surely you can contribute more". Andres is in no danger of being lynched. It was asked earlier what kind of things I saw as connections, well this is one kind, where mafia sometimes refer to their partners in a slightly stilted, unnatural way. It is not in the slightest bit provable so I don't make a case out of it, but I do mention it when I see it. Other kinds of connections are more relevant.

Reenk roink, given pizza guy was convinced he was mafia. It doesn't make sense to kill reenk if you don't believe he's mafia. He draws too much attention.

Khaan.

Seireikhaan, on the other hand, hasn't been contributing, and there's no reason behind his votes. He's not even paying attention to who he is voting for. As such, I don't think he cares who dies, as long as it's not him. I also think some of his head-game tactics earlier on this game were intended perhaps to fool the mafia, but seriously? Only I was even confused about it, and I explained my theory about what he was doing, which was acting like bait for the mafia, and then he never got killed, and he's had no pressure on him, but he hasn't changed his strategy. He's still hiding, basically, and he deserves a pressure vote.

Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
Again, another person you kill only if you think he's mafia.

The "I was tied with boudica and offered myself up for lynch" argument

It is here that I will halt my summary for a time. Rereading the day where pizza and boudica were tied is making me uneasy. Particularly this post:

Quote Originally Posted by Pizza
Round is nearly done, I don't think it's boudica. I asked one of the dead innocents, CountArach, what his opinion on the remaining suspects were. He said Ares should be lynched, and I agree. If Ares is innocent, I'll take the blame.

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ares
Consulting a confirmed innocent? This really smells like pizza was anxious about breaking the tie, and wanted an excuse. His reasoning for backing off boudica is shifty as well. I shall have to reread with this in mind, and take a look at pizza's case on boudica today to see if it still makes sense for them as partners.