Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Husar]

...it is likely they will knock off everyone on this list.....

That's why it is not always a good idea to post a list of people you found to be innocent, I can see the use in short-term but obviously the long-term use is limited.
I can understand however that Banquo felt threatened and wanted to have posted it all before getting killed.

What I see now is a lot of black, maybe because I got killed or maybe because we still have quite a few killers and hardly an idea about who is guilty. I suspect the lurkers, wanted to do so earlier but that could have backfired as my post count in here wasn't exactly high either.

[AggonyDuck]

Alright, I will calm down. Just annoyed by the fact that I've been killed by the town twice in succession, despite me vouching for my innocence. Would had been nice to have atleast been killed by the bad guys and not have a townie waste a kill on me.

[White_eyes:D]

I think Rhyfelwry is one of our traitors...... it's the only time I can see the Mafia killing a guy who was going to duel.... Vote:Rhyfelwyr
Challenge:Atheotes because I want to lower our suspect list a bit...(I will die with my wound)

You can check this....it's true

@AD: I am sorry I killed you.....but you know what?? It's a game about Lying....
(and we only had a 25% chance of fighting)

[Prince Cobra]

Hmm, apart from Beskar (though I seriously consider another challenge on him)

Vote: Kagemusha

I find his comments subtle, with much useful info but not very helpful. He interferes cautiously into the disputes and I still remember the clever way he managed to reduce the pressure on himself right after his stepping in the game "Why do you not challenge me again, Sasaki" or sometrhing like that. In additoion, I am inquisitive about the real name of "The Shadow Warrior" that is Kagemusha. I also think he lurks too much (even when he is relatively free, I think)

For me he is one of the suspicious people around.

[AggonyDuck]

Alright, seems like integrity isn't appreciated in this game. Well, if people want lies, lies they shall get.

[Wishazu]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

[White_eyes:D]

Alright, seems like integrity isn't appreciated in this game. Well, if people want lies, lies they shall get.

??? why is that so strange? when I played my first Mafia game...the guy lied thur his teeth...even though, we pinned him as the Mafia.... I even was lynched when I was a detective(for the first time) in a game, when everyone ask the Mafia "Is it true??" He basically said "no"...and had me lynched....

[Beskar]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

The pro-town role has confirmed the innocence of -
Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Gobbledygook

You just tried to take two confirmed innocents out of the game.

Vote: Wishazu


Have to admit, he screams scum, Mafia-role or not.

[AggonyDuck]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

And you just voted for one confirmed innocent and challenged another. Great work, I'm sure the mafia will need all the help they can get to reduce the known innocents among us.

[Quintus.JC]

Kuri was killed by the vigilante…

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:Rhyfelwyr Vote:Wishazu for ignoring the last page....and FOS: on everyone who doesn't read the evidence I found.....(I mean it's the only time a duel didn't take place....)

Edit:Or have a chance to take place

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The pro-town role has confirmed the innocence of -
Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Gobbledygook

You just tried to take two confirmed innocents out of the game.

Vote: Wishazu


Have to admit, he screams scum, Mafia-role or not.

Wishazu also believed my duel score of 25 so I'm not sure he's paying a whole lot of attention.

Unvote:Rhyfelwyr Vote:Wishazu for ignoring the last page....and FOS: on everyone who doesn't read the evidence I found.....(I mean it's the only time a duel didn't take place....)

Edit:Or have a chance to take place

Could have been a frame. Quintus was willing to challenge--so why would rhfelwyr be afraid of a fight?

[White_eyes:D]

Could have been a frame. Quintus was willing to challenge--so why would rhfelwyr be afraid of a fight?

Because he challenged rhfelwyr first....and that night, Glenn who challenged rhfelwyr first...(can't be taken back) ended up dead.....we have had no kills for those who have been dueling since.....WIFOM but it could be a screw-up by the traitor....and he also falls in the suspect list....LIKE ME

[ajaxfetish]

vote: Wishazu

For attacking two of BG's remaining confirmed innocents.

KukriKhan's death was particularly interesting. I can think of two explanations for the unprecedented MO. One (already suggested by Kukri) is that the secret role has been inactive up till now, and just started operating, possibly triggered by a recent event. Whether that secret role would be pro-town or anti-town I don't know. Two is that it is a result of one of Takeda Shingen's secret abilities. If convinced by Banquo, CountArach may have decided Kukri needed to go fast and had the means to ensure it happened.

I follow Woad&Fangs' logic that we need to focus on those who are not on BG's innocence list, and not our one surviving swordsmaster or our commander. Unfortunately that list is not as short as I'd like, and he and I are both on it. I will gladly duel anyone of reasonable suspicion and not already high on the lynch list. As a veteran samurai, I expect I've a decent chance against the baddies, and since my innocence is not confirmed anyway, I'm more expendable than some and it's worth risking my life.

Also, I find some merit in White Eyes' accusation against Rhyfelwyr. It's possible that the ninja have low duel scores instead of high ones as most seem to have assumed; otherwise the prospect of taking them out by duels would be kind of pointless. Unless there are others I didn't notice as I skimmed back, Rhyfelwyr's challenge by Glenn is the only one to result in the challenger being night-killed before the duel could take place: possibly a ninja attempt to ensure a vulnerable member's survival.

Ajax

[Beskar]

I will admit, Ichigo is another suspicious one in my opinion, he voted for me after BQ's post for instance calling me scummy, also, he was active in the beginning then went into the background. Also, the case against Rhyfelwyr sounds plausible, I probably would have voted for it.

Unless Wishazu proves that he is "Very mistaken", I am not going to change my vote, to protect GeneralHankercheif at least. What he did was fundamentally "flawed".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will admit, Ichigo is another suspicious one in my opinion, he voted for me after BQ's post for instance calling me scummy, also, he was active in the beginning then went into the background. Also, the case against Rhyfelwyr sounds plausible, I probably would have voted for it.

Unless Wishazu proves that he is "Very mistaken", I am not going to change my vote, to protect GeneralHankercheif at least. What he did was fundamentally "flawed".

Explain his thought process as mafia for me. Something like:

"Everyone believes that banquo is a detective and that the people on his list are innocent. Therefore I will try and get them lynched, because no one will go along with it and everyone will vote for me"

[Beskar]

Explain his thought process as mafia for me. Something like:

"Everyone believes that banquo is a detective and that the people on his list are innocent. Therefore I will try and get them lynched, because no one will go along with it and everyone will vote for me"

It could be a WIFOM itself or could be that they are a friend of the mafia and thus tried to draw attention away from them.

Anyway, I am not changing my vote till possibly closer to the voting time anyway and see what happens in the thread, people are happy to vote how they are pleased as long as it isn't a name or a challenge to some one on that list. However, I really like woads&fangs argument, it is a very good case.

[Reenk Roink]

If it turns out that a doctor role was alive I will ...

You should lynch Beskar.

[FactionHeir]

I'm somewhat skeptical of BG's reveal...couldn't it be possible that he was mafia and just saying all those people are innocent when some of them are actually town and others his buddies? Getting himself killed would be a sacrifice and his buddies could decide to kill 1 less to make it seems that Quintus was indeed guilty etc.

Just something to keep in mind as we enter the end game, to be prepared for certain twists.

Now, for the moment let's assume BG's list is correct since we still got quite a large number of players left. In that case, I think Rhyf, Aggony and Kagemusha might be most suspicious.

[Dutch_guy]

You should lynch Beskar.

You pushed for his death last round as well, I take it you don't believe the reveal - or do you have other reasons ?

[Gregoshi]

Now, for the moment let's assume BG's list is correct since we still got quite a large number of players left. In that case, I think Rhyf, Aggony and Kagemusha might be most suspicious.

Could AggonyDuck just be pretending to be beheaded? We should lynch him to be sure! Sorry FH, but your are the second person in the last couple of hours to want to go after a dead guy.

[Reenk Roink]

You pushed for his death last round as well, I take it you don't believe the reveal - or do you have other reasons ?

I don't have an opinion on the reveal, but I had... information before I died. At least challenge him.

[FactionHeir]

Damn, that's what I get for going travelling over the weekend....at least I didn't vote him

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't have an opinion on the reveal, but I had... information before I died. At least challenge him.

Done.

Challenge: Beskar

[ajaxfetish]

Possible hints in Andres' writeup of Quintus' death.

The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko (Quintus.JC) looked around him. They had accused him of being the notorious ninja, Hisao Majurama.

'The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko,' rather than just 'Fujimoto Kumiko.' Also he doesn't show any reaction to the accusation of being Hisao. He doesn't acknowledge it as truth, but neither does he deny it or express frustration at being wrongfully incriminated.

He had failed his master and he would now die. He was at peace with himself. There was no dishonor nor shame in dying in the service of your Lord.

He cares only about serving his Lord, but there is no indication of who that lord is. It could be Takeda Shingen. Or it could be the ninja master, or even Uesugi Kenshin. Also, he regrets failing his lord. If he's loyal to Takeda, I'm not sure what he might consider his failure. Failure to find and kill all the ninja? It can't mean just failure to protect Takeda as CountArach is still alive and well. However, if it means failing the ninja, it has clear meaning. He has failed to take Takeda Shingen's life.

Andres said the hints would be subtle. I don't think we could expect much more than this.

Ajax

[Caius]

Wishazu and Kagemusha are both replacements. I would like to see a duel between the two of them.

What for?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for the double post, but I had a challenge in the last one and thus didn't want to edit it. I think we should hold off on Kage for a while. His standard behavioral pattern in these kinds of games is to kind of blend in, until the endgame comes and he becomes more of a factor. I think we should at least wait for the numbers to go down more before we take a look at him.

[Beskar]

Done.

Challenge: Beskar

That was really... stuff it, I am going to just do this instead. and that is directed against a bunch of you that deserve it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sasaki:

You are correct, I have not posted in this thread for some time. Fri-Sat-Sun AM were the Virginia Knights of Columbus Convention, Field agent attendence is mandatory (as well as decent business practice). My Laptop battery malfing and failing to take a charge left me without internet access. Here at home, I have options.

Cannot blame you for pressuring me, I deserved it. Glad I didn't end up dead.

I though BG was a player -- he'd been too quiet in the BR for his norm -- but I was thinking ninja, not detective. I had thought Gregoshi a detective.

Vote: Kukrikhan

BG's suspicions plus a sense of your posts that is off. You're the only one trying to scream "it's the endgame" already -- and it strikes me that you are trying to elicit some desperation.

Your math is off, by the way. We can rapidly dispatch players we suspect of being anti-town by a)lynching and b) duels with Count Arach suggesting a challenger for any suspect. CA's data will make selecting a good champion relatively easy.

[woad&fangs]

Looking back at some of Kagemusha's posts, I would have to agree with GH. Kage looks innocent to me. The fact that him and Wishazu were replacements made me think that they might have taken over important roles. Neither one looks very scummy to me at this point.

vote: Dutch Guy

You haven't had much pressure yet.