Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Andres noted to the Spartan that if you defeat a better opponent - there is a chance for BR to increase - but it would be a huge risk for the 'mafia' to take, when they are guarenteed kills during the night.

Can you link to that post?

[Csargo]

I have read through every single post Andres has made. He made no comment about a victorious duel increasing someone's battle rating. While that did indeed happen in Midgard, and Andres has said that the duels were "inspired" by Midgard, that's a relatively weak assumption to make at this point. Haudegen's comment seemed very definite, which would indicate an alternate source for that information than this thread.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=220

Though it's not exactly what Haudagen posted he probably just generalized it assuming it is for all duels.

[Chimpyang]

It's on page 8 of the thread. I'll be back on later to see if anyhting changes.

[TinCow]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=220

Though it's not exactly what Haudagen posted he probably just generalized it assuming it is for all duels.

Many thanks.

[Csargo]

Not a problem, I was curious about it as well.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Unless the 'mafia' knows something that we don't, I'd say that dueling is too much of a risk for them. They'd have to be pretty certain of a win to risk it.

I suspect mafia to be either players who do not risk duelling. Or players who risk a lot of duelling. Who habitually 'pick fights', for one reason or another. Perhaps as some sort of means of building leet killing skillz, or as special role requirements. Lord* only knows what dangers are lurking in hidden roles.

*Otherwise known as the beermeister, geishagaijin, or simply Andres.

Louis your link leads me no where.

It should lead to a page with Khazaar's posts. The link works for me. If it doesn't, just click on Khazaar's name and look for something that says 'see all posts by Khazaar'. The main point is that he didn't post anything in this thread to make him particularly killworthy.

[Beskar]

I wonder if I could request Seppoku instead of being lynched. If I get voted out.

[Andres]

I wonder if I could request Seppoku instead of being lynched. If I get voted out.

I will only allow suicide for RL issues.

Suiciding because you are going to get lynched is usually seen as a gamebreaker. Sorry.

[LittleGrizzly]

I have acquired Reenk Roink as a recruit in the hope that I may serve my Lord Takeda in the best way possible... he has put his vote and his right to challenge in my hands, I have decided he shall remain on his abstain vote (can't break tradition) but from the next go onwards he shall be doubling up my vote...

We will discuss his dueling skill and wait for a suitable opponent to become clear before challenging, the great warrior Reenk Roink should not die in some random battle but in the fight for our might Lord Takeda!

[Beskar]

Suiciding because you are going to get lynched is usually seen as a gamebreaker. Sorry.

No, no, I don't mean that Andres, my apologises. I meant it as a method of death at the lynch write-up, so if you are getting lynched, and it is confirmed, in your write-up, you could put it on that the lord commanded me to commit Seppoku to prove my innocence or whatever, and that could be my exit from the game via the write up.

Not saying I am suiciding because I am going to get lynched. Afterall, there is still a chance I won't die yet.

[pevergreen]

LG is mafia

[Andres]

No, no, I don't mean that Andres. I meant it as a method of death at the lynch write-up, so if you are getting lynched, and it is confirmed, in your write-up, you could put it on that the lord commanded me to commit Seppoku to prove my innocence or whatever, and that could be my exit from the game via the write up.

Not saying I am suiciding because I am going to get lynched. Afterall, there is still a chance I won't die yet.

Generally speaking, if you are about to get lynched, you can have some input in your own dead scene (just pm me the general outline).

However, I do reserve the right to have some good laughs at the expense of your character, muahahahahato write my own, creative and brilliant write-up.

[Csargo]

LG is mafia

How do you know?

[Reenk Roink]

LG is mafia

What kind of dojo taught such manners? Master is honorable and never to be questioned.

[LittleGrizzly]

LG is mafia

Damn thought i was hiding it so well as well....

Was it my lurking that gave me away ?

Or my reasonless lynch choice ?

Or the post where i specifically stated i was mafia ?

[Askthepizzaguy]

After reading the thread (Yes, in 8 minutes... apparently) I'm not entirely sure what this argument against ATPG is.

I'm ever so very dangerous, apparently. And too talkative:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Andres 33
Gregoshi 25
TiberiusBeskar 19
Sasaki Kojiro 17
Askthepizzaguy 15

Or ATPG because.... well he's ATPG... he did then make a comment about wanting more people to challenge... but that could be purely self preservation... which isn't nessecarily scummy...

No, let's get ATPG because he's not necessarily scummy; which, we've learned, means he's always scum.

Lynch ATPG.

Unvote:...wait naaah.

*yawn*

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: ATPG
Sorry mate, this game is going to be big enough, I dont want to wade through 5 pages of ATPG.

Ok.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Andres 33
Gregoshi 25
TiberiusBeskar 19
Sasaki Kojiro 17
Askthepizzaguy 15

Or not. Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury - what say you to your names having been being mentioned?

I'm a good first round lynch because I eat pizza, not sushi.

[Louis VI the Fat]

On gut instinct, I say that TiberiusBeskar is not mafia. He's not behaving as mafia about to go down.

Vote: LittleGrizzly.

And if I don't hear a good explanation, I'll also challenge Reenk Roink before the sun makes the lotus bloom tomorrow.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat
Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach



Abstain 15

Beaver
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

[Beskar]

Generally speaking, if you are about to get lynched, you can have some input in your own dead scene (just pm me the general outline).

However, I do reserve the right to have some good laughs at the expense of your character, muahahahahato write my own, creative and brilliant write-up.

No problems. In a way, I would like my poor little Yoshi-san to commit Seppoku to keep his honour as he is a poor guy who fell asleep under a plum tree with a strawhat on with Sasaki slithering around, though I don't think he would actually do that. He would probably try to escape before he is hunted, and some how like a stereotypical kungfu movie, try to find the real person responsible because he would be annoyed is the one that got painted as being the bad guy.

[Chimpyang]

There's a good 6 hours for the other half of the players to vote still - you're ahead by 1 vote....why so resigned?

[Death is yonder]

There's a write-up and about 7 pages of posts. What more do you need?

Conclusive evidence .
Master says it is all I have to rely on as I am unsure with people's behavioral changes considering I'm a new player... perhaps some of you mafia vets can explain why the suspects behaviors are suspicious.

[Beskar]

There's a good 6 hours for the other half of the players to vote still - you're ahead by 1 vote....why so resigned?

I am not an optimist at this stage of the game. :p


As for the table, here is the latest -

ATPG 4 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen, CountArach
TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat


Abstain 16

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver

[Chimpyang]

I'm not a particuarly 'seasoned' player but here's my take as of right now.
ATPG is being voted for via a mix of gut instincts and half serious votes : which i expect to change to someone else if anything pops up.

Glenn - well is Glenn - read the CDTC II thread for abit and you realise how even when he had a pro town role - everyone rammed it into him considerably. Again, there's no solid evidence apart from a 'drunk' introduction - which means only one thing : his character is a drunkard! Maybe the secret role is the drunken martial art expert you see in a fair few films!

Tiberius is under the suspicion of "role fishing" - the idea is that mafia/anyone (associated with mafia though) try and find conclusive evidence as to assign people to roles - especially important are the 3 protectors of 'our lord', the geishas and the 3 mafia. This way, you can either fake your own role more effectively or lead out targets.

Sasaki is as always - unafraid of commotion and confrontation in the game thread. The early "prevoting" of Tiberius (based on Sasaki's own accusation of Tiberisu role fishing) attracted votes - also I believe one of hte votes is due to the unnecessary emoticons added to the accusatory post.

I think that sums up the main contenders.

I voted Factionheir - claiming my vote made no sense is not particuarly a good reason for me being scum so counter vote for reasons i summed up before.

[Csargo]

Conclusive evidence .

No such thing.

[Beskar]

Conclusive evidence .
Master says it is all I have to rely on as I am unsure with people's behavioral changes considering I'm a new player... perhaps some of you mafia vets can explain why the suspects behaviors are suspicious.

Admittedly, I only played Mafia on Warcraft 3 and in Real life. (Biggest difference, no chat-log)

There are a few unwritten rules from what I noticed in the forum version -

1) Never comment on peoples roles, even if in a joking or sarcastic manner and before the game has even started, this means you are the Mafia member. Mafia members always post their suspicions on a public forum before the game starts opposed to private message between other Mafia members during the game. (applies to Tiberius)

2) Defending yourself means you are a Mafia member. Regardless of being an innocent and on the first-turn of the game, you have to sacrifice yourself without hassle. Wanting to stay in the game for enjoyment even as an innocent is wrong. (applies toTiberius)

3) Picking out a person before the game began and setting them up, twisting their comments to make them look bad because you are a Mafia member and trying to shift blame from yourself, is not a suspicious activity, (applies to Sasaki)

4) Playing on racial stereotypes will get you lynched faster than a politically incorrect comparison that would not be allowed to be posted here. (applies to Glenn)

5) Voting Abstain means you are not a Mafia member. (applies to all those voting abstain)

To be continued...

[FactionHeir]

I am pleasantly surprised that my vote and associated comment on you made you post like a waterfall. Where to take this will be seen at a later stage.

For the moment, it is my opinion that ATPG is a bit out of character in this game avoiding to get killed rather than actively contributing to his demise. This suggests he has a role. Question is, whether its pro or anti town.

As a side note, Tiberius is probably innocent. I would guess 97% chance.

[TinCow]

When in doubt, vote ATPG. It's always the right move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For the moment, it is my opinion that ATPG is a bit out of character in this game avoiding to get killed rather than actively contributing to his demise. This suggests he has a role. Question is, whether its pro or anti town.

Nah, just really like to be able to vote for people I find suspicious. However, I am not a role worth saving. There are occasions where I'd prefer to play the game rather than watch from afar, that's all.

When in doubt, vote ATPG. It's always the right move.

Meh. I could say the same for you.

[Olavi]

I'll abstain until I've read all posts.

vote: abstain

[CountArach]

Meh. I could say the same for you.

That seems awfully submissive ATPG... Not at all what I have come to expect from you.

Unvote: w&f
Vote: ATPG

I still don't buy the other arguments against him, but this is better than nothing.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit
ATPG 4 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen, CountArach

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat



Abstain 17
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver
Olavi

[Death is yonder]

No such thing.

Well... not yet!