Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[TosaInu]

Oh, there was a third.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did a ninja try and kill me or a traitor? I thought the hour of the ox was the traitors, but the writeup has him sneaking in with a knife.

[Gregoshi]

It seemed to me that Louis was killed by the psycho. Is the Rat/Ox theory maybe incorrect?

[FactionHeir]

N3:
kill 1 and 2 = ninja
kill 3 = SK
kill 4 (attempt) = Traitor (likely - not certain as not successful, but would fit the 2-1-1 scenario we had so far)

And Tosa is suddenly being very talkative but enigmatic (or rather Tosa-like on-liners?).

vote: TosaInu

I'm a bit interested in why Beskar think that the ninja master and shinobi can protect. Do you know something we don't? My thinking was Geisha = Roleblocker/protector, Shinobi = Detective/Vigilante. Of course my guess is as good as any other.

[Csargo]

Sasaki was protected by a masked samurai interesting.

[Beskar]

I'm a bit interested in why Beskar think that the ninja master and shinobi can protect. Do you know something we don't? My thinking was Geisha = Roleblocker/protector, Shinobi = Detective/Vigilante. Of course my guess is as good as any other.

It is generally the case that a Master/Doctor, can be role blockers. it was pure speculation. That is why I am asking who blocked the attempt on Sasaki's life. Was it the mafia-role or a pro-town role and do that role know they are good or bad?

If it was the mafia-role who protected him, it is bad for us, if it was a pro-town who protected him and he is a confirmed townie, it is good for us to know so we don't lynch Sasaki off by mistake.

[AggonyDuck]

Anyone else worried about the fact that both duelists seemed to be highly skilled in sword fighting? Especially the Katana shattering first blow by Fujiwara seems to hint that he was a superb swordsman and I'm not sure if his death was a good thing for the yashiki.

Anyway what do we have to go on here?

[Prince Cobra]

It is generally the case that a Master/Doctor, can be role blockers. it was pure speculation. That is why I am asking who blocked the attempt on Sasaki's life. Was it the mafia-role or a pro-town role and do that role know they are good or bad?

If it was the mafia-role who protected him, it is bad for us, if it was a pro-town who protected him and he is a confirmed townie, it is good for us to know so we don't lynch Sasaki off by mistake.

The master ninja guarding his students? This is unlogical. I would say that a student shall guard his master, not the opposite.

+ The Ninja have the same styles. I think that the master ninja has not started killing yet.

But this is only a speculation.

Duckie, I have the feeling that none of the duelling samurai this night was not enemy of Takeda Shingen.

[Gregoshi]

N3:
kill 1 and 2 = ninja
kill 3 = SK
kill 4 (attempt) = Traitor (likely - not certain as not successful, but would fit the 2-1-1 scenario we had so far)

FactionHeir, are you suggesting that the serial killer is a ninja and not a traitor? The SK is anything but stealthy. Loud and clumsy it seems to me. My guess is that the failure against Sasaki was ninja.

[Wishazu]

Well it appears to me that Tosa has incriminated himself with his recent comment, but then again it seems odd for someone to make such a stupid mistake by posting a silly comment like that. I`m not voting yet, I want to see what you other more experienced Mafia players come up with...

[Beskar]

The master ninja guarding his students? This is unlogical. I would say that a student shall guard his master, not the opposite.

My apologises, I meant this. yes, this is what I meant.

Sasaki is the Ninja master?

[Wishazu]

My apologises, I meant this. yes, this is what I meant.

Sasaki is the Ninja master?

So that would mean it was a traitor trying to get Sasaki?

[FactionHeir]

I think you are forgetting the secret role Greg, which IMO is a SK with a knack for blood and guts

Why do you think that the failed attempt on Sasaki was a ninja hit when ninjas so far consistently had at most 2 kills and there always has been a traitor kill according to my version of kill classifications?

As for who Sasaki is: We know he's not part of the traitor group as the Traitor tried to off him and he was protected (rules out Traitor vs Traitor framing). Leaves Sasaki as Townie, SK or Ninja - not Shinobi as that's the last pro town role anyway.

Regarding the duel, I'm pretty sure both were veterans.

[Prince Cobra]

Sasaki is the Ninja master?

In fact, the truth is known only by Sasaki and the man who guarded him.

So now... Let's leave Sasaki alone for a while and to jump on a more solid ground.

Edited: yes, Wishazu, I think a traitor tried to kill Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My gut tells me that TosaInu's comment was him surprised his kill didn't go through. It is his first game after all.

[Gregoshi]

I think you are forgetting the secret role Greg, which IMO is a SK with a knack for blood and guts

Why do you think that the failed attempt on Sasaki was a ninja hit when ninjas so far consistently had at most 2 kills and there always has been a traitor kill according to my version of kill classifications?

The SK hardly seems like a "secret" role to me.

Here's my take on the kills:

Night 1: 2 ninja kills, 1 traitor (there is speculation on a missed ninja/traitor order for first day)
Night 2: 3 ninja kills, 1 SK (traitor)
Night 3: 3 ninja kills, 1 SK (traitor)
Night 4: 2 ninja kills, 1 SK (traitor), 1 ninja/traitor? (foiled)

Note that the rules say that the traitor get "1 or 2" kills each night so there is a variable.

I don't see the "at most 2 kills" by the ninjas. Nights 2 & 3 seem to have the qualities of 3 ninja kills.

[Dutch_guy]

My gut tells me that TosaInu's comment was him surprised his kill didn't go through. It is his first game after all.

I doubt he'd make a mistake like that, it's more probable to be a standard Tosa one-liner.

[Beskar]

Hour of the Rat is Ninja, Hour of the Ox is Traitor. So I believe, anyway.

[Prince Cobra]

I doubt he'd make a mistake like that, it's more probable to be a standard Tosa one-liner.

I don't think another bandwagon will be a good idea. Solid ground (relatively speaking, please)

Vote: Beefy (We have not heard this polite and honourable person for a long time )

Challenge: Beskar (Personal reasons + I am still surprised he has not voted against me yet + his mania to manage the FoS lists + gut feeling)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I doubt he'd make a mistake like that, it's more probable to be a standard Tosa one-liner.

I don't believe it's a good strategy to assume people don't make mistakes.

[Reenk Roink]

I think the Mafia killed Master and I because they thought we might have some kind of special role or something. Or perhaps it was just because we weren't drawing suspicion and would vote together.

The only problem is, the only one really vocal about it was Louis and he was whacked too. Now given that there are different factions, it doesn't exonerate the French warrior.

There were a few others who took note of the master/slave relationship but in a much less open way. Then there is the possibility that someone who said nothing about it is responsible.

Basically I got nothing...

[edit] I don't think it is Beefy at all. He is really busy with school and stuff and his Noble Sons game is time consuming too.

[Beskar]

Challenge: Beskar (Personal reasons + I am still surprised he has not voted against me yet + his mania to manage the FoS lists + gut feeling)

Because your attack on Sasaki failed?

[Prince Cobra]

Because your attack on Sasaki failed?

Strange... it was not me who developed the strange theory about Ninjas. As I said, he might be or he might not be. I proposed to leave him alone for few days.

[Beskar]

No, you was the traitor that attempted to attack him.

[Prince Cobra]

No, you was the traitor that attempted to attack him.

Another interesting assumption. But I am afraid you are wrong.

[FactionHeir]

And you are voting Beefy...why? He already has a vote on him, are you trying to start a bandwagon just like that?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Vote: LittleGrizzly

Don't think I have forgotten about you and your attempt to stick me on the pever bandwagon!

[Prince Cobra]

And you are voting Beefy...why? He already has a vote on him, are you trying to start a bandwagon just like that?

Hmm, I think I already explained in the brackets. I have some old suspicions.
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Rhy', LG is dead.

[Gregoshi]

Vote: LittleGrizzly

Don't think I have forgotten about you and your attempt to stick me on the pever bandwagon!

Ummm, LG is dead.

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:TosaInu
Challenge:TosaInu
He has not defended himself..."hey, I am a townie I just was finding it weird how the kill got blocked, Ect, ect" WIFOM though