Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Upset? Of course I am. Unfortunately, I am the only one who survived your bandwagoning. Why did you kill Tosa, ATPG, shlin (the latter is undertsandable although I am still sceptic)?

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.

If you was so curious about my votes, why not just go back and read what I put? I even said it, yet you just ignore them trying to imply there was some air of mystery to it.

Askthepizzaguy was easy, since there was a bandwagon against me and there was another on him where CountArach said to vote for him and he even voted for himself, I thought "Why not?" and voted for him.

TosaInu has been lurking for ages and posts in other areas plus his comment was really fishy. So i just voted on that since others were.

Shlin lied to CountArach about his battle rating to try to cover his tracks, unfortunately doing that to a pro-role town and my lord and master saying to do it, I followed.

Then with you, there was ample coincidences and things you said that made you look very suspicious. Not this quack you are trying to point at me. Can I really be blamed that you painted yourself a big scribble with a marker pen to make yourself a target? Then you continued actions against me either imply you are a very sore pitiful person or a Mafia-role trying to paint suspicion on me as directed people on you.

So which is it, are you the petty person trying to get revenge on an innocent townie for having legitimate reasons to suspect you or the mafia-role trying to move suspicion away from yourself?

[Prince Cobra]

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.?

You were just the next in the row. You are always the next in the row. My case was slightly different (maybe because it was still in the beginning in the game and I looked very vulnerable). You decided to use the circumstances and to destroy me. Why? It's good more innocent people to die in the beginning of the game.

If you was so curious about my votes, why not just go back and read what I put? I even said it, yet you just ignore them trying to imply there was some air of mystery to it.

Askthepizzaguy was easy, since there was a bandwagon against me and there was another on him where CountArach said to vote for him and he even voted for himself, I thought "Why not?" and voted for him.

TosaInu has been lurking for ages and posts in other areas plus his comment was really fishy. So i just voted on that since others were.

Shlin lied to CountArach about his battle rating to try to cover his tracks, unfortunately doing that to a pro-role town and my lord and master saying to do it, I followed.?

So you are always just following suit?

Edited: The air of mystery is mainly around your decision to destroy Tosa for "hmmm"

Then with you, there was ample coincidences and things you said that made you look very suspicious. Not this quack you are trying to point at me. Can I really be blamed that you painted yourself a big scribble with a marker pen to make yourself a target? Then you continued actions against me either imply you are a very sore pitiful person or a Mafia-role trying to paint suspicion on me as directed people on you.?

I think it was you who painted me in this way. You even went a bit faaar twisting my words.

So which is it, are you the petty person trying to get revenge on an innocent townie for having legitimate reasons to suspect you or the mafia-role trying to move suspicion away from yourself?

A man who finds that you are the most suspicious person around. A man who detests your bad manners and way of speaking, your following suit and twisting arguments. For a moment my suspisions towards you were reduced but recently they grew again. Why? You simply continue to behave strange and to attack people whose guilt is not quite sure. You change your arguments but the aim stays the same. Attack them in a way it is obvious you are trying to secure the next victim but not that this victim is a mafia. This is the reason I challenged you and this is the reason I am determined to send you back in the shadows or die trying.

[TinCow]

Nice...nice.

And TinCow--you did two other things in this post. You associate the criticism made against you with me, and then claim that my opinion is clouded. This ignore that several other people find you suspicious and accused you of the same thing, and that I completely ignored you today and went after tosa. I haven't even challenged you. So no, revisionist history is not a defense.

Your opinion is clouded, you just demonstrated it again. You quoted my post to Rhy, where I encourage him to produce a role PM. You know as well as anyone that the words used in an argument should be tailored to that argument. In that post I was trying to get Rhy to post his role PM; of course I suggested to him that it would prove his innocence. It wouldn't exactly have been a very convincing argument if I had told him it wouldn't prove anything.

Yet instead of seeing my very obvious and intentional attempt to pull info from Rhy, you see guilt simply due to an intentional contradiction in my statements. Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you just sense blood in the water and are gathering for the feast.

After all, as you said... you completely ignored me today, and are therefore my bestest buddy 3V4R!

TinCow seriously has to die next round.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Your opinion is clouded, you just demonstrated it again. You quoted my post to Rhy, where I encourage him to produce a role PM. You know as well as anyone that the words used in an argument should be tailored to that argument. In that post I was trying to get Rhy to post his role PM; of course I suggested to him that it would prove his innocence. It wouldn't exactly have been a very convincing argument if I had told him it wouldn't prove anything.

If you thought that "we have to assume the mafia have had the townie pm" and that it "wouldn't prove anything" then why did you care at all if he posted it? That doesn't make sense. My gut sense CLOUDED FEELING is that this explanation is horse manure.

Yet instead of seeing my very obvious and intentional attempt to pull info from Rhy, you see guilt simply due to an intentional contradiction in my statements. Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you just sense blood in the water and are gathering for the feast.

Clearly your suspicion of me is clouding your judgment!

After all, as you said... you completely ignored me today, and are therefore my bestest buddy 3V4R!

You dismiss my arguments as being clouded, but instead of writing a rebuttal of the evidence I put forward that it wasn't, you go for this?

[Beskar]

A man who finds that you are the most suspicious person around. A man who detests your bad manners and way of speaking, your following suit and twisting arguments. For a moment my suspisions towards you were reduced but recently they grew again. Why? You simply continue to behave strange and to attack people whose guilt is not quite sure. You change your arguments but the aim stays the same. Attack them in a way it is obvious you are trying to secure the next victim but not that this victim is a mafia. This is the reason I challenged you and this is the reason I am determined to send you back in the shadows or die trying.

I will be honest, my post was trying to provoke you into trying to say you are a mafia-role, either by making you say something silly which revealed you, or get frustrated and just come out and say it. It was nothing more then that, just part of the game. I will prevent such actions again though, as it could really sometimes really upset people, I should have had that more in mind, so my apologises over that.

Anyway, to your post, there is one big fallacy. I am not after securing a "next victim". I would never target someone where I am completely unsure and voting abstain does mean death. The next logical course is to see the arguments of the round and follow which was the best. Shlin obviously acted mafia like, TosaIsu lurked far too much then his statement, isn't that obviously? askthepizzaguy was just askthepizzaguy.

However, it is you who needs to be put to rest, not I. For all the things you accuse me of, you are just revenge-voting at the very least, that is all.

[seireikhaan]

The pineapple samurai is 95% confident that TinCow is guilty.

[TinCow]

If you thought that "we have to assume the mafia have had the townie pm" and that it "wouldn't prove anything" then why did you care at all if he posted it? That doesn't make sense.

It wouldn't prove his innocent, but it certainly could have proved his guilt. Faking role PMs is a difficult thing and while there are plenty of people in this game who could do a good job on it, there are plenty who are new to the game and might have difficulty with it. A forgery could easily have been noticed, and that was what I was interested in seeing.

Clearly your suspicion of me is clouding your judgment! :

I'm not suspicious about you. The only thing against you is the protection, which is probably best dealt with in a couple days. You're probably going to get me lynched now with your accusations, which is regrettable, but I've come to expect the noose in mafia games. I reap what I sow.

[Beskar]

TinCow, is mine a forgery?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TiberiusBeskar

Kurosaki Yoshi – Chicken Farmer

Konichi wa, Kurosaki-san

You are one of the craziest chicken farmers to serve your master. This is because he finds you amusing and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year ploughing the fields of the chicken coup and caused disappointment on your attempt to grow egg plants with the eggs.

You are still young, but you will never know the way of the farmer. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored if you don't die in his service.

You will serve Takeda Shingen-sama all your life.

Battle rating: -1

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be innocent, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise by a ramen eating contest, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

[Prince Cobra]

TinCow, is mine a forgery?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TiberiusBeskar

Kurosaki Yoshi – Chicken Farmer

Konichi wa, Kurosaki-san

You are one of the craziest chicken farmers to serve your master. This is because he finds you amusing and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year ploughing the fields of the chicken coup and caused disappointment on your attempt to grow egg plants with the eggs.

You are still young, but you will never know the way of the farmer. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored if you don't die in his service.

You will serve Takeda Shingen-sama all your life.

Battle rating: -1

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be innocent, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise by a noodle eating contest, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

First, you are Yoshi-san, so you claim. But we will meet soon, I hope.

Second, thank you for the warning. But can't we eat sushi instead of... noodles. It sounds more samuraish to die from sushi.

Third, you do have a sense of humour but this does not help to reduce my doubts against you.

Fourth, as everyone can see how you used a single death poem (!) and my thoughts on Olavi, your voting on Tosa is still absurd, your logic is slightly strange and my accusations are not entirely based on revenge voting.

[Beskar]

I said myself, it wasn't concrete evidence. It was your thoughts on Olavi, Death poem and timing of Andres' posts. On the coincidence level, it was very suspecting. In a game where there is basically no concrete evidence, at that moment of time, it was the closest thing to there being a mafia-role member.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.

This strikes me as suspicious - he's just saying he didn't put the knives to the throats of those specific people, not that he didn't kill anyone. Seems like the same kind of elusive statement I used to use.

It wouldn't prove his innocent, but it certainly could have proved his guilt. Faking role PMs is a difficult thing and while there are plenty of people in this game who could do a good job on it, there are plenty who are new to the game and might have difficulty with it. A forgery could easily have been noticed, and that was what I was interested in seeing.

Hmmm - a misspelling of a common word by a Lawyer-type. Now, seeing as lawyers are supposed to be educated, perhaps this error is borne of the stress from trying to conceal his mafiosoness?

CR

[Beskar]

This strikes me as suspicious - he's just saying he didn't put the knives to the throats of those specific people, not that he didn't kill anyone. Seems like the same kind of elusive statement I used to use.

They were lynched by popular vote. He is wording it that I specifically killed them by myself. I haven't killed anyone in the game.

[Quintus.JC]

Quintius... hyperactive member whose purpose is not to find out the truth but to destroy his victim. Look at his record, his bandwagoning, his arrogance, his twisting of words. Why did he vote for Tosa? No comment...

That's precisely why I am unsure about Beskar. His playing-style nearly got him lynched on Day 1, yet he refused to change, and played on the way he did right at the start. I stand by that he is certainly an audacious mafioso, and believing that this is his first game (not too sure, is it?), I would highly doubt that he would play in this manner if he was indeed mafia. None the less his behaviour makes me uncomfortable, and I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched next round.

I think Sasaki is innocent, I just don't see why a Ninja should be protecting and not killing at night. This 'Sasaki is the Ninja master' theory doesn't make any sense. Tincow is a better target, and yet I can't really see much case against him.

[Beskar]

Ninja Master theory was before a correction that the names didn't match up, hence why I never followed it through and even pointed it out to some one else.

As for first game, it is first game on a forum, which I have to admit, is frustrating in many ways because in real-life games, you can't get away with lurking at all and you can get 20 replies out of people while on here you get at most, 2.

As for play-styles, there are many reasons many people do many things, in order to survive as both a Mafia, pro-town and innocent role. Most of it is the whole WIFOM theory which causes people to play irrationally and insane in order to simply survive. Staying alive is one of the key aspects of the game, what ever role you are in.

However, "not find out the truth but destroy his victim" is just a complete fallacy. Also, it wasn't my "play-style" that almost got me lynch, it was a bandwagon vote.

[TosaInu]

[FactionHeir]

Can you post on more than 1 line Tosa?

[Beskar]

For some reason, this came to mind with your post TosaInu.
"He is not a mafia-role member, he is just a very naughty boy."

[TinCow]

Staying alive is one of the key aspects of the game, what ever role you are in.

You don't need to worry about being new to forum mafia if you're already aware of the above. You're already several steps ahead of many experienced forum players.

[Askthepizzaguy]

if I knew TosaInu played mafia games I would have invited him to mine a long time ago...

[TosaInu]

if I knew TosaInu played mafia games I would have invited him to mine a long time ago...

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

Thank you for thinking to invite me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

Thank you for thinking to invite me.

With your permission, I can leave an invite to my next game on your profile page, and if you have time and the interest, feel free to join. If not, no response is necessary.

[TosaInu]

With your permission, I can leave an invite to my next game on your profile page, and if you have time and the interest, feel free to join. If not, no response is necessary.

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

That's kind of you. But I always try to stay out of games, mainly to avoid confusions when I feel the urge to bark. This one is just too tempting though, being a 10th anniversary and samurai setting.

I'm having fun

[Askthepizzaguy]

Understood.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Dont make me start coming up with samurai games just so you will join them...

Just kidding. Enjoy the game folks; this one looks like it was fun.

[Beskar]

Just a couple of comments in relation to strategy, etc. I will explain some:

One of the things with real-life mafia is the concept of body-language. You don't just see what people say, but also how they act. However, you always have to be mindful of not what they are doing, but WHY. The why is the critical difference. Many people act in lots of different ways, a lot of them look very suspicious, not only that, it could be a Mafia-tactic or simple innocent blunders.

In honesty, what Stephen Asen is doing is a actually a good Mafia play-style, if done right. What he is doing, he trying to blacken my image and draw attention to me and continues to do so over several rounds (opposed to himself). What happens, is that unconscious, people remember him constantly having a go at me, and people are more inclined to support his side. However, as a mafia play-style, this is attracting attention away from the centre, in this case, himself, and passing the blame onto another player which would give them more time to survive. This is a valid Mafia-role tactic that could be currently employed.

However, as I said, he could just be after pure revenge, which is still a very bad move as it is wasting valuable lynches on people that are innocent, which will allow to innocents to die just because they want revenge at a suggestion they were a mafia-role.

Thing with Mafia, there will never be any real evidence that some one is a Mafia-role member. You have to try to pull things together, even if they are loose and flimsy, if it is the best course of action to take.

For pure example purposes, Sasaki has suspicious things about him, which might mean Mafia-role, pro-town role or whatever role. However, this doesn't mean you vote for him every turn. Not only need you need an argument to convince people, it relies heavily on timing. If you vote for him every turn, it can make your vote "worthless" as even the Mafia-role will know you will vote for him, and they could just kill you off and and it proves nothing about Sasaki, as he could have nothing to do with the matter. Same with abstaining, abstaining is also the way you get targeted as your votes and sways mean nothing. Then obviously, while you are waiting for the perfect time, there is a good argument against some one for that round, for example, Shlin, you obviously target some one like him to get help get rid of some one who could potentially be a Mafia-role member, opposed to letting your vote go to waste.

Anyway, one tactic I used earlier which I won't use again, so I am basically going to explain it. The reason I won't use it was because another person messaged me about it, saying that tactic isn't approved due to trouble it can cause trouble, is called the "Pressure Can". This is basically have to imagine a player is a can, and the idea is, you apply heat to the can, the pressure builds up inside, then they explode. This has three outcomes. This is useful for every role in the game. The other one, you make them "burst" and reveal they are infact a Mafia-role member, or they make sure to lynch you that night. The second option is that they explode and they reveal they weren't actually a mafia-role. Either way, it produces answers in the persons favour, as in revealing their identity, or a possible third is that internal mechanisms silence them, to order to remain cool. There is also the possible 4th where some one knows what you are doing, but that is near impossible to fake in real-life Mafia.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 5 - Conclusion.

Hour of the Rat

Saruwatari Kazunari (Crazed Rabbit) was cleaning his swords with a silk cloth. When the swords were both clean, he put them back in their scabbard.

He decided to meditate first before going to sleep. The events of the past few days had been disturbing, even for a man who had already seen his share of bloodshed and cruelty.

While taking a few deep breaths and clearing his head, he didn’t notice the shady figure entering his room. The dark warrior silently moved up to the meditating samurai, a black knife in his right hand.

Saruwatari’s body seemed to relax and he slowly got into a deep, mental trance. The killer didn’t wait any longer and with a clean, strong blow, he pierced the knife into Saruwatari’s throat, moving it upwards right through his brains, killing him instantly.

The murderer left the room unnoticed.

~~~

Hour of the Rat


Miyamoto Musashi (Husar) was standing near the campfire, guarding the front door towards the chambers of his Lord. He liked standing guard near the campfire: it gave the illusion of being warm, nobody could hide into the shadows to sneak up on you and feeding logs to the fire broke the monotony of the night.

A chilly northern wind was blowing and the swordmaster put down his naginata to grab some more firewood.

While his head was down, a cloaked man jumped down from the roof, in his hand a kanabo, aimed for his head. Miyamoto’s incredible fast reflexes saved his life as he quickly moved aside. The kanabo missed his head but hit Miyamoto’s right shoulder very hard, breaking his collarbone.

Allthough Miyamoto could only defend himself with his katana, which he was holding in his left hand, the killer didn’t want to take any more risks and quickly left the scene, unrecognized.

~~~

Hour of the Rat

Fujimoto Junishiro (Glenn) was back in his room. What was happening right now, was disastrous and he was very worried about his Lords’ safety.

On a more personal level, he had an extra reason (as if any more motivation was needed) to catch these ninja and to get out of here. That reason was called “Mariko”, his fiancée. After his third season of campaigning with the Takeda, her father had finally admitted that he was manly enough to marry his daughter. If this mess would end well, he would marry her before the next campaign would start.

Fujimoro smiled at the thought of the beautiful Mariko, his blossom.

Unfortunately, two strong dark gloved hands abruptly ended his dreams in a most cruel way, squeezing his throat until he died. The killer pierced a dagger through Fujimoro’s right eye, into his brains, for good measure and then left the room unnoticed.

~~~

Hour of the Ox

Fujimoto Shinichi (A Very Super Market) was standing guard outside the gate. This was the worst place to stand guard, since it was outside the walls with absolutely no cover against the snow and the chilly northern wind and without fire to keep him warm.

Fujimoto cursed. It was the third time he had been given this rotten task. Never had a senior samurai been standing guard here. And it didn’t make sense to stand guard outside either, since the killers that were operating were clearly working from the inside and nobody could reach the yashiki through the impenetrable mountain passes.

The wind was blowing heavily and fresh snow was falling out of the sky. Fujimoto didn’t hear the sounds of the man walking towards him, carrying a sharp katana. With one fluent movement, the man pierced the katana through Fujimoto’s body, right through his armor. The young samurai looked down and saw the point of the sword thrusting out of his chest. It didn’t take more than a few seconds for him to die.

The murderer quickly left the scene.

~~~

Day 5 - Rivers of blood.

Hour of the Rabbit

The Tiger was eating breakfeast. He looked how his injured bodyguard got treated by a comrade. He nodded calmly to the man and stood up.

Lord Takeda entered the courtyard and went to his platform. He looked down and didn’t show any emotions when he saw the bodies of the murdered men. It was something that was getting all too familiar.

Shaking his head he watched the scroll with the challenges. He nodded towards Sanada Yukimura (YLC) and Nakashima Ritsu (TinCow).

Both men bowed deeply for their master and nodded to each other. A senior officer nodded to both men: “No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi.

Both men nodded again.

Sanada unsheeted his katana and immediately attacked Nakashima. The long sword struck for his neck and he barely blocked the blow.

Sanada stepped backwards and circled around Nakashima. Sweat was dripping from their faces. Suddenly, Sanada unsheeted his wakizashi and struck with both swords simultaneously. With pure luck, Nakashima managed to block both blows. Sanada was unbalanced and Nakashima took advantage of the situation by swinging his katana at his opponent. Sanada stepped to the right and the katana barely missed him.

Both men watched each other and it was clear they started to respect their opponent. Sanada lifted his katana and jumped forwards, a blow that would have been lethal if it weren’t for Nakashima bowing through his knees and rolling forward, piercing his katana through Sanada’s belly.

The deadly injured samurai looked down in disbelief. His opponent finished the duel by separating Sanada’s head from his body.

After the fight, he bowed deeply for his master, who nodded back respectfully.

While the woodpiles were burning, the men started to discuss the events.

~~~

Alive (36):

TinCow
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (17):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi

Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn

Fallen in battle (4):
Northnovas
Ignoramus

El Diablo
YLC

Lynched (4):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28

TosaInu

WoG/Suicide (3):
Xehh II

Jolt
Beaver

~~~

It's now day, you can start voting. Day will last +/- 24 hours, that's until 10.00 pm (GMT+1).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:TinCow

[Beskar]

Interesting kill choices, vote tomorrow after my exam.

[Prince Cobra]

Vote: Beskar

OOC: Good luck with your exam!

[Beskar]

OOC: Good luck with your exam!

OOC: Hah, thanks, I need it. For some reason, I keep posting in this thread opposed doing revision... (myhead)

[ULC]

I have failed to live up to my name

I just hope I have not failed my master, even in death.