Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Yoyoma1910]

Is keeping the tally becoming a lost art?!
For shame...

With the morning sun
So awakens all the world's
Inaccuracies.


*ahem*

[Beskar]

I have been a lil' busy recently. I am really good at procasination too, I even convince myself.

[glyphz]

You missed Count Arach voting on TinCow. But why do I have the persistent feeling we are going to lynch another townie? Like Tosa? TinCow could be indeed excellent manipulator and yet... my gut feeling says something is not right. I wish we had at least once a good evidence against somebody.

Hmm...

Thanks for the heads-up
It would seem that TinCow is in the position, 'Killed if you lose, damned if you win.' Can't tell whether he's innocent or not...

edit: new page, new tally...

Tally: (as of this post only)

Tincow: 9 - (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, ajaxfetixh, Rhyfelwyr, Beefy187, Kagemusha, CountArach, Husar, Haudegen)

Beskar: 5 - (StephenAsen, woad&fangs, Chimpyang, Wishazu, Ichigo)

Rhyfelwyr: 4 - (Yaropolk, KukriKhan, CaptainBlackadder, Banquo's Ghost)

Tristan de Castelreng: 3 - (FactionHeir, Quintus.JC, Beskar)

Abstain: Death_is_yonder

Challenges:

White_eyes:D - Sasaki Kojiro
GeneralHankerchief - Beefy187
woad&fangs - Tincow
Beefy - GH

[Yoyoma1910]

I suppose I shall have to be more direct:

From caves step cold men
Their old knees stiff from kneeling
With new will to live.



Vote:AggonyDuck

[atheotes]

Tristan seems to have been inactive in the org except for a couple of posts in a hotseat campaign...so not much to go by...

I am equally suspicious of Rhyfelwyr and Tincow...
Rhy claims he had sent the battle ratings 3 days ago.. that is the 26th... the battle ratings were asked for much before that (21st or 22nd).. On the 24th itself there was a call to CA to name all people who hadn't sent the battle rating by then... there was a list of inactive players and even CA posted this https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=931 as people who had not sent the battle ratings and also in the list of lurkers...
Rhy could have sent his ratings after that...so just sending the battle rating doesnt remove the suspicion....but this is a very weak theory...maybe if CA can confirm the receipt of the PM and date we can get more info...

Tincow's PM post has been deemed useless by Gregoshi's revelation...

Vote: Tincow

hope we are not
lynching the
wrong person again


Tally: (as of this post only)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tincow: 10 - (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, ajaxfetixh, Rhyfelwyr, Beefy187, Kagemusha, CountArach, Husar, Haudegen, Atheotes)

Beskar: 5 - (StephenAsen, woad&fangs, Chimpyang, Wishazu, Ichigo)
Rhyfelwyr: 4 - (Yaropolk, KukriKhan, CaptainBlackadder, Banquo's Ghost)
Tristan de Castelreng: 3 - (FactionHeir, Quintus.JC, Beskar)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Abstain: Death_is_yonder

Challenges:

White_eyes:D - Sasaki Kojiro
GeneralHankerchief - Beefy187
woad&fangs - Tincow
Beefy - GH

[atheotes]

That's a rather direct thing to say to say to a girl. But I should be nice to you atheotes, because I started it by saying a lewd thing.

Apologies....my English is as crude as my ways.

[Prince Cobra]

Challenge: Beskar

We all die. It only matters how, where and when. I do it with the clear consciousness this could be the last thing I do. But I see little hope for the future.

I am sure Beskar is one of the mafia. In his words I was first ninja and when this failed, he followed the public opinion that I am traitor. Then when he saw he can not accuse me he decided to offer me a silent cease fire and developed strange ideas about cans and pressure. I also think that because of its significant number mafia immensely influences the lynches.

Farewell friends if I lose! For Lord Takeda and glory!

[Gregoshi]

It would seem that TinCow is in the position, 'Killed if you lose, damned if you win.' Can't tell whether he's innocent or not...

I understand glyphz. I posted about the combat system/ratings and the role PMs because they seemed like things generating a lot of useless discussion when perhaps we should be looking elsewhere for clues. There is still too much gut and not enough brain in most of the accusations. To be fair, there doesn't seem like much for the brain to latch on to yet, but wonder how much research is being devoted to seeking brain food. Sasaki's case against TinCow and his flip-flops looks pretty incrimnating but it seems even that type of evidence can have legitimate or concocted explanations for the activities. So evidence that is less player behaviour related is better. Unfortunately it seems scarce too.

I've re-read each of the killing, duel and lynching writeups looking for subtle clues that might give us a tip. The few anomalies I noted hadn't yielded anything useful though.

[Gregoshi]

Apologies....my English is as crude as my ways.

No need to apologize atheotes. I was just play games with puns and double meanings and you were my foil. You are a samurai and a gentleman in my eyes...until proven otherwise.

[Beskar]

Challenge: Beskar

We all die. It only matters how, where and when. I do it with the clear consciousness this could be the last thing I do. But I see little hope for the future.

I am sure Beskar is one of the mafia. In his words I was first ninja and when this failed, he followed the public opinion that I am traitor. Then when he saw he can not accuse me he decided to offer me a silent cease fire and developed strange ideas about cans and pressure. I also think that because of its significant number mafia immensely influences the lynches.

Farewell friends if I lose! For Lord Takeda and glory!

I hope the mafia kills you, just so you will leave me alone. I am an innocent young samurai.

[Prince Cobra]

I hope the mafia kills you, just so you will leave me alone. I am an innocent young samurai.

If you think I am glad with risking my life, you are wrong.

[Csargo]

Then there are people who was once active and basically don't post at all now, like Ichigo.

I've had a lot going on the last week, but now I can participate more.

[Andres]

Voting Concluded. Stand by for execution.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Day 5 - Conclusion.

Hour of the monkey

Nakashima Ritsu (TinCow) looked up to the sky above him. It was clear. As he was watching the stale blue sky, his memories went back to the sea, to the village where he grew up, under the guidance of his father, a hard but fair master.

It was with regret that he realized how he would have made his father proud, fighting and killing for a noble master and now dying in his service. Regret, because his father would never know it. Or maybe he would?

Nakashima stared at the stars that started appearing. Surely, one of them was his father. Soon he would be there and he could tell about the battles he had fought and how he died honorably in the service of his Lord.

He picked up the sharp and clean knife that was there in front of him, on a white cushion. He opened the belt of his kimono. The smell of soap greeted him. His heart started to swell with pride. Soap, not the smell of fear.

Nakashima pierced the knife into his body. While he felt the blood leaving him, he kept looking up, to the stars. Soon he would be there.

The blade of his kaishakunin struck mercifully.

Lord Takeda nodded respectfully towards the body.

He stood up and went inside.

~~~

Tally:


TinCow: 10 (CountArach, Husar, Rhyfelwyr, Haudegen, Sasaki Kojiro, Kagemusha, atheotes, White_Eyes:D, Beefy187, ajaxfetish)

Beskar: 5 (woad&fangs, Stephen Asen, Wishazu, Ichigo, Chimpyang)
Rhyfelwyr: 4 (Banquo's Ghost, Kukrikhan, Yaropolk, Captain Blackadder)
Tristan de Castelreng: 3 (Beskar, Quintus.JC, FactionHeir)

AggonyDuck: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Wishazu: 1 (AggonyDuck)

abstain: 1 (Death is yonder)

Not voting: 11 (Gobbledygook, TinCow, Tristan de Castelreng, Seamus Fermanagh, glyphz, taka, Dutch_guy, Peasant Phill, GeneralHankerchief, Caius, Psychonaut)

~~~

Challenges:

1. White_Eyes:D vs. Sasaki
2. GeneralHankerchief vs. Beefy187
3. Beefy187 vs. GeneralHankerchief
4. Stephen Asen vs. Beskar

Note: since TinCow got lynched, the woad&fangs vs. TinCow duel became null and void.

~~~

Alive (35):

Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (17):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi

Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn

Fallen in battle (4):
Northnovas
Ignoramus

El Diablo
YLC

Lynched (5):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28

TosaInu
TinCow

WoG/Suicide (3):
Xehh II

Jolt
Beaver

~~~

It's now night. Due to RL, it'll be an extended night phase which will last until Friday, the 1st of May, 10.00 am (GMT+1), which is +/- 36 hours from this post.

[Beskar]

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset.

[atheotes]

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset.

Is there any way to tell? i have been looking for subtle clues but the clues seem to be too subtle for my untrained eyes...

for a second i thought Nakashima was a traitor... unfortunately the traitors name is Nakayima...

[Gregoshi]

No specific mention of who his lord was.

[TinCow]

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset.

Nah. Since the act is now done, I have no difficulty saying that I would have voted for anyone who had been in my identical situation. Victory in a duel despite claiming a lower duel score, followed by the late revelation that some people apparently have cover role PMs. I've had more than my fair share of good luck in mafia games, I deserved a little bad luck to even it out.

[atheotes]

No specific mention of who his lord was.

I thought abt it...his father would have served Takeda Nobutora and would be proud of him if he served Nobutora... that would mean Tincow was a traitor but the names dont match... so not sure if the fact that the master is not mentioned is a useful hint either...
will we see a reduction in the number of kills/attempts if a ninja is killed or will the ninja master be able to fill in?

[Beskar]

Won't work. There are 4 Ninja (3 + 1 Master) and they have 3 kills constantly, I think.

[Gregoshi]

for a second i thought Nakashima was a traitor... unfortunately the traitors name is Nakayima...

I'm guessing he was a traitor. An alternate spelling of Nakashima is Nakajima but I couldn't connect "jima" with "yima". It is almost too close to be coincidence. Maybe Beefy(?) can help with the connection if there is one. We may find out this night.

[Beefy187]

Never heard of Nakayima actually.. When converted to hiragana it becomes なけいま which doesn't come up with a name.

So I did a quick research on google. Got a few japanese names like the name of the Japanese fighter in WWII called Ki-27 Nakayima.

Searched on google for Ki-27 and came up with type 97 fighter "Nakajima"

So as conclusion Nakayima= Nakajima= Nakashima

Or it could be a spelling mistake.

EDIT:　仲井間・・stupid romaji..

I would say its a completely different person

[Reenk Roink]

Someone should definitely check up on glyphz. I really get the feeling he's up to something (if you are pro-town my apologies).

[Gregoshi]

So I did a quick research on google. Got a few japanese names like the name of the Japanese fighter in WWII called Ki-27 Nakayima.

Searched on google for Ki-27 and came up with type 97 fighter "Nakajima"

So as conclusion Nakayima= Nakajima

Or it could be a spelling mistake.

If you can conclude that Nakayima = Nakajima, here's the link that puts Nakajima = Nakashima: http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Nakash...e-meaning.ashx

Regarding TinCow and the unnamed Lord, I must correct myself. I was confusing thoughts of the murdered with the thoughts of the condemed. Atpg, Sigurd, schlin and Tosa were at peace and absorbed with little things at the moment of death. TinCow's focus was much different. His thoughts were of service to his lord.

It was with regret that he realized how he would have made his father proud, fighting and killing for a noble master and now dying in his service.

The "and killing" seems extraneous when one is fighting, unless the killing was done while not fighting, i.e., murder. It isn't much but Andres said the hints would be subtle.

Another thing that strikes me as unusual was Louis' killing. He was sweating and very nervous before he was killed. Either he was expecting something or was hiding something that made him very anxious. However, I can't piece together what that means.

Lastly, AVSM's death was odd, almost like he was setup.

Fujimoto cursed. It was the third time he had been given this rotten task. Never had a senior samurai been standing guard here. And it didn’t make sense to stand guard outside either, since the killers that were operating were clearly working from the inside and nobody could reach the yashiki through the impenetrable mountain passes.

Is there a role in mafia that would make someone more vulnerable to attack - like neutralizing a protector or protection ability?

Is there anything here, or am I chasing phantoms?

[A Very Super Market]

Don't follow that road. I was a lurking townie, and got killed for it.

[Gregoshi]

Don't follow that road. I was a lurking townie, and got killed for it.

Killed as in murdered or killed as in Wrath of God?

[KukriKhan]

So 35 remain alive

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alive (35):
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Worst case scenario: we have lynched no mafia, nor duelled any, and mafia can kill up to 6 per night. Somebody please check my arithmetic, but (minus WoG's) we therefore have 2 more day/night cycles before the mafia outnumber townies - assuming their continued success.

Bottom line = we can afford to "blow it" one more time before we must get every lych and duel correct (in killing mafia). We're closer to endGame than some may think.

We've not been given any nightime vigilante capabilities, so our only defense is the lynch and the duel.

This means that every player must be active from now on. Lurking must be severely sanctioned as not only non-productive, but counter-productive.

Lurk = die.

Contribute, or die.

Assuming everyone follows this advice (HA!) we also need the smart help from our dead players. (Thank you Gregoshi ). Astute analysis can help us find the bad guys and pick them off, one by one.

[A Very Super Market]

Killed because I showed my face and voted: Abstain.

[Kagemusha]

Just a minor point, but maybe a subtle hint about Origins of Tincow. Kai and Shinano provinces from where majority of Takeda´s men originated were both landlocked. So if Tincow´s character came from a sea shore province. He had been raised somewhere else.

[TinCow]

Just a minor point, but maybe a subtle hint about Origins of Tincow. Kai and Shinano provinces from where majority of Takeda´s men originated were both landlocked. So if Tincow´s character came from a sea shore province. He had been raised somewhere else.

The more you try to convince yourselves that you've done the right thing by lynching me, the farther you find yourselves down the wrong path.

Just as a clarification : I used a Japanese name generator and put in random things like "corned beef", "cornflakes", "banana", etc etc.

I don't have any idea if the names I came up with are male, female or whatnot. I don't speak Japanese