Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Quintus.JC]

Possible hints in Andres' writeup of Quintus' death.


'The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko,' rather than just 'Fujimoto Kumiko.' Also he doesn't show any reaction to the accusation of being Hisao. He doesn't acknowledge it as truth, but neither does he deny it or express frustration at being wrongfully incriminated.


He cares only about serving his Lord, but there is no indication of who that lord is. It could be Takeda Shingen. Or it could be the ninja master, or even Uesugi Kenshin. Also, he regrets failing his lord. If he's loyal to Takeda, I'm not sure what he might consider his failure. Failure to find and kill all the ninja? It can't mean just failure to protect Takeda as CountArach is still alive and well. However, if it means failing the ninja, it has clear meaning. He has failed to take Takeda Shingen's life.

Andres said the hints would be subtle. I don't think we could expect much more than this.

Ajax

Andres is probably mirroring real life actions, I didn't berate town badly for this, so he wrote it in the write-ups. While for your second point, didn't Tincow had similar lynch write-up, and he was supposed to be 'innocent' on BG's list...

I'm really perplexed about BG's death...

[Wishazu]

LOL! I`m a suspect now

I challenged GH because I simply don`t belive he is innocent despite what the so-called detective stated. The clues in this game are going to be subtle at best but everyone seems to have ignored GH`s behaviour in his earlier duel(sorry can`t remember his opponent) when he attempted deliberately to dishonour his adversary. Why would that even be mentioned if it wasn`t meant to point to something. I stand by my challenge, I will probably die anyway as he is obviously skilled at dueling. Besides I`m getting bored and would rather die by the sword than wait to be slaughtered like a sheep.

However, as a loyal samurai I believe Sasaki is our true master, or at least he is the kagemusha. So i`m going to change my vote in response to his orders.

unvote Besker

Vote Yaropolk

[Banquo's Ghost]

With regard to posting the innocent list, this may well have been a mistake, but bear in mind that I am quite a newbie at this. Moreover, I was quite sure from the pattern of killings (as well as my belief in Kukri's role) that my number was very soon up. Since the rules state that nothing can be shared in PM that has not been revealed in public, I could not send my information to anyone -especially as I was here without the permission of Lord Takeda. A public reveal was my only option, and just stating my concerns about Quintus.JC would not have convinced. I thought if the town knew about my investigations, it might give them an edge.

I did however, make a serious mistake, which may still be used to good effect. I had to check the rules on my reveal, and in doing so, I inadvertently posted a list in alphabetical order.

Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook

And those that have perished:

Crazed Rabbit
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
TinCow
Gregoshi

Except that whilst waiting for clarification, I took glyphz and Gobbledegook off the list, replacing them later (as with Gregoshi) but no longer in alphabetical order. I believe this explains why they were targeted - my error gifted the bad guys a clue, that maybe those names were roles.

I am embarrassed, but it may reveal that the mafia are very experienced in these games, and can spot even the tiniest of clues.

For now, I am dead. There is nothing I can share that you haven't seen already, because of the rules.

[AggonyDuck]

Whoooo! My crazy theory was correct!

[Husar]

Oh noes, we're done.

[TinCow]

Why would he fake it at this time? Having been "cleared" by Banquo, who was seemingly killed by the ninjas (down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card) and whose reveal I believe, Sasaki would be labelling himself as the Godfather of the ninjas (innocent result leaves only this choice). Even if he pulled it off for a while, he would eventually get lynched and lose the whole shebang.

I'm not saying Sasaki is scum, but you don't have to be scum to pull off a fake reveal. The only thing of any substance Sasaki has accomplished with that post is to make Gobbledygook a target. Thus, it is likely fake because Sasaki would not give out that kind of information unless it would produce some useful result to him.

[edit]Just realized Goobleetc. was attacked last night and survived. Thus, ignore the above, as Sasaki had nothing left to protect since Gobble's ID was already out there. That'll teach me to skim the alive results when verifying info.

Do you think Sasaki would rely on WIFOM for this many rounds as his only defense when he's ALREADY wandering around with an innocent result?

This is a strange thing to say. Sasaki was relying on WIFOM for defense? Sasaki has never been under serious pressure the entire game. He hasn't needed a defense of any kind, let alone WIFOM. Why would you say something like that?

FOS: Seamus

With regard to posting the innocent list, this may well have been a mistake, but bear in mind that I am quite a newbie at this. Moreover, I was quite sure from the pattern of killings (as well as my belief in Kukri's role) that my number was very soon up. Since the rules state that nothing can be shared in PM that has not been revealed in public, I could not send my information to anyone -especially as I was here without the permission of Lord Takeda. A public reveal was my only option, and just stating my concerns about Quintus.JC would not have convinced. I thought if the town knew about my investigations, it might give them an edge.

It was not a mistake, you did the right thing. Both our scum have been killed, and your other results remain useful, if not conclusive. At some point, a detective has to get his results out. Often, this is the only method that works. You've served the town well.

[Kagemusha]

My five cents is that if the town wants to win now is the time to start systematically voting people outside Banguos list and challenge them systematically so two people can be offed each round from the remaining suspects. It is time to start out killing the ninjas and traitors. So for my part: Vote: Ichigo

[KukriKhan]

My five cents is that if the town wants to win now is the time to start systematically voting people outside Banguos list and challenge them systematically so two people can be offed each round from the remaining suspects. It is time to start out killing the ninjas and traitors. So for my part: Vote: Ichigo

I agree (from the grave). Banquo's Ghost list may be bogus, but we have no way to prove or disprove that. Therefore, with the timeframe available, we're forced to assume the list is valid, and go after those not investigated. And quickly.

[Yaropolk]

Wow, Sasaki tried to kill me while I was sleeping at night IRL!

Sasaki - if you're going to level accusations against me then provide your reasons. I don't have a defense. I think my behavior and voting record will speak for itself. I am a conservative player and have based all my votes only on concrete facts with full explanations not on WIFOM piss matches.

I don't know if your reveal is real or just a ploy to defend the real CA, but I think you're an important pro town role either way. I will challenge: atheotes to show that the pm I'm posting below is real. I believe there is still room for 1 challenge.

Yaropolk

Shinohara Yuuko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Shinohara-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

[Dutch_guy]

LOL! I`m a suspect now

I challenged GH because I simply don`t belive he is innocent despite what the so-called detective stated. The clues in this game are going to be subtle at best but everyone seems to have ignored GH`s behaviour in his earlier duel(sorry can`t remember his opponent) when he attempted deliberately to dishonour his adversary. Why would that even be mentioned if it wasn`t meant to point to something. I stand by my challenge, I will probably die anyway as he is obviously skilled at dueling. Besides I`m getting bored and would rather die by the sword than wait to be slaughtered like a sheep.

However, as a loyal samurai I believe Sasaki is our true master, or at least he is the kagemusha. So i`m going to change my vote in response to his orders.

Well Banquo did give us someone who's lynch description gave us at least a subtle indication of guilt, Quintus. I believe him to be our detective, and therefor believe his list. GH's duel, while out of the ordinary, does not equal guilt per sé and in my opinion does not warrant a vote.

And as for Sasaki's 'reveal', I don't know what to think. He's been pulling stunts like this for ages now.

Vote: Wishazu

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wishazu seems just a bandwagon. If you want to bandwagon why not pick peasant phill? He's just been dropping by to vote.

Suspicious bandwagon vote by dutchguy

Since yaropolk is fighting a duel now I'll unvote:yaropolk

Will decide whether to vote for seamus or peasant phill.

[atheotes]

Looks like there are couple of challenges on me...

fow what its worth:

Default Swords in the Moon - role pm
atheotes

Fujimoto Kazunari – samurai

Konichi wa, Fujimoto-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.

You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

[TinCow]

Will decide whether to vote for seamus or peasant phill.

I agree that both of these are decent lynch options.

[Paradox]

FoS: Rhyfelwyr for Glenn's death before he had the chance to duel Rhyfelwyr, I find it highly unlikely that a mafia would decide to kill someone who was about to duel.

Vote: Seamus

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

[Kagemusha]

Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

What do you know we others dont?

[FactionHeir]

Since we have established that the mafia have cover PMs (given what Gregoshi said), posting standard reveals isn't going to mean anything (besides them already being in the thread with rating).

Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

Well, I found you scummy but I figured not to consider you while we assume BG was honest. While I read your case on Seamus, it doesn't seem exactly strong (or maybe I'm not seeing something you do?)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Seamus

Wishazu 5 (beskar,white_eyes,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 3 (GeneralH,Gobblydegook, Sasaki)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Ichigo (Kagemusha)
kagemusha (stephen asen)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)


Challenges
White eyes vs atheotes
Wishazu vs General Hankerchief
GeneralHankerchief vs Beskar
Yarapolk vs Atheotes

The whole purpose of revealing was to get some organization into the town...but activity seems low, and wishazu is far in the lead for what? Trying to lynch people who aren't confirmed innocent? We have no way of knowing whether the ninja master is investigation immune--seems likely to me.

Vote for Seamus

Peasant phill really needs to die as well...argh. I suppose we can get him tomorrow.

[Prince Cobra]

Stephen Asen, you level a case against Kagemusha -- clear enough. I don't see much of a style difference from him though, between this and other games. More thoughts?

His style is slightly... strange. He talks but says nothing. I am also positive he has the ability and innovative thinking to play an important role against the Tiger of Kai. The behaviour of his predecessor also seemed to be slightly strange. These are my main suspicions for him. I think he shall be observed carefully.

Waiting for sign from my superiors.

[Kagemusha]

Vote:Seamus

Wishazu 5 (beskar,white_eyes,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 3 (GeneralH,Gobblydegook, Sasaki)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Ichigo (Kagemusha)
kagemusha (stephen asen)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)


Challenges
White eyes vs atheotes
Wishazu vs General Hankerchief
GeneralHankerchief vs Beskar
Yarapolk vs Atheotes

The whole purpose of revealing was to get some organization into the town...but activity seems low, and wishazu is far in the lead for what? Trying to lynch people who aren't confirmed innocent? We have no way of knowing whether the ninja master is investigation immune--seems likely to me.

Vote for Seamus

But should we not get rid of the ninjas as well? Which is the better aproach? Lynch and challenge those who are not confirmed innocent in any way or those who are atleast investigated by someone?

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:Wishazu Vote:Seamus fine....I was just mad, that he ignored the evidence I presented......

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, basically Seamus's calling attention to the fact that the Detective got stabbed in the eye set off serious alarm bells. There a few things wrong with this:

- Standard mafia move of calling attention to something otherwise unnoticed in the kill write-ups, because they put it there.
- In line with the above, I didn't even think twice about this feature until he pointed it out.
- As Seamus says, the eye is a symbol closely related to detective-ness (I believe it comes from the old Pinkertons). I'm not sure of how many people are aware of this, however. I originally became aware of it... through Seamus.

Behold, Seamus's commentary from Mafia V, in which he was mafia and used a similar symbol when offing who he believed to be the Detective.

Probably have to add one to the next kill – more work. The unblinking eye symbol was and is the logo of the Pinkerton DETECTIVE agency – no more to it than saying I’m hunting detectives. Didn’t mean to cause confusion with that.

I am almost certain that we've got one here.

-edit- I believe there are other instances in which he refers to this symbol and its relation to Detectives, but at the moment I'm a bit busy to be post hunting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But should we not get rid of the ninjas as well? Which is the better aproach? Lynch and challenge those who are not confirmed innocent in any way or those who are atleast investigated by someone?

I can't remember when the deadline is and I keep missing it--to me it's a choice between peasant phill and seamus. No one else is voting peasant phill unfortunately and we need to bump seamus over wishazu.

[Kagemusha]

I can't remember when the deadline is and I keep missing it--to me it's a choice between peasant phill and seamus. No one else is voting peasant phill unfortunately and we need to bump seamus over wishazu.

Then Seamus it is. Unvote and Vote: Seamus

[FactionHeir]

GH: Many of the previous writeups also had the stabbing the eyeball part, it isn't unique to BG's murder - standard first/second ninja calling card so far.

[GeneralHankerchief]

They did? Gah, I'm worthless in this game.

[Prince Cobra]

Unvote:Kagemusha
Vote: Seamus

I hope this will comtribute to the triumph of the Takeda Shingen. Long live Shingen-sama!

[FactionHeir]

Hmm I've just reviewed it and its not entirely standard:

N2: by Traitor
N5: By SK/brutal ninja
N6: By SK/Brutal ninja
N7: By Traitor

[atheotes]

well this could be my last vote considering my low battle rating and 50% chance of dueling (25% chance of fighting a swordsmaster )...

Vote: Seamus

[atheotes]

Can someone tell me why FactionHeir hasnt been under any suspicion?
i am sure missed i have missed a lot of detail... but very suspicious about him...