Quote Originally Posted by TinCow View Post
I disagree. First, the suicides can't simply be a change in the way the game works after Shingen is dead, since there have been normal duels since that time. Second, this wasn't something that was actually ordered by Shingen himself, as neither Sasaki nor CA have said anything about this, and I have not seen any evidence that either of them had any control over the duels. Perhaps if one of them had the ability to order a double suicide on a particular night I would believe it, but there is no evidence at all that that was what occurred.

So what we're left with is Andres choosing on his own to cause a double suicide at that particular moment. If both of the deaths were townies, this seems monumentally unfair against the town on a night when we also lost the person we were all supposed to be protecting. I think it is far more likely that it was a planned event that would happen when scum showed up in a duel.
For all we know there was a 'secret ability' (or call it a scripted scenario) with Shingen's role PM that orders both players in the duels to commit seppuku when their lord dies - a one time event, just like Shingen dying. This explains why it happened only once, and if CA and Sasaki were in fact aware of this then they would have been very careful with sharing the information with the town - as it gives the mafia some extra options to consider.

And you can also reverse that logic, Andres killing a ninja every time he was to challenge is also monumentally unfair - perhaps even more so as the ninja are fewer in numbers.

We'll probably get to know this for sure when the game ends, until then that's my take on the matter.