Red Cross Torture Report

[Lemur]

ooo, Godwin already.

I can't help but mention the agencies that approved of waterboarding; you'll note that the Wermacht are missing. They famously refused to torture captives. Sorry I had to include two NSDAP agencies on the list, but there haven't been very many polities that approved of waterboarding. Needs must.

First of all, sexual degradation of ANY type is torture.

This is a new an unexpected development. The Convention Against Torture does not mention sex. Neither does the Geneva Convention. Your opinion is your opinion and nothing more, o subject of a state that (by your own argument) has the right to detain you indefinitely and torture you the entire time, while never filing charges. Your opinion is meaningless before the unlimited power of the state you support. That which is not explicitly forbidden is permitted. So prepare to be legally sodomized.

The program that the Bush Administration used is nothing at all like what was used by Nazis or Japanese. The techniques were completely different, and involved a great deal of physical pain and brutality, and often led to death. They are NOT the same thing, and cannot be compared.

(Dang it ! I forgot to mention Imperial Japan! Bad Lemur!) What a fool I was, to compare waterboarding to waterboarding. It's like comparing apples to apples or something equally insane. And as I have clearly established, with primary documentation in this thread, plenty of people did die in our "enhanced interrogations," so the difference ... hmmm ...

What is mental pain? Knowing you lost your family, your testicles, being sodomized or otherwise sexual assaulted, etc. Mental pain HAS to accompany physical pain of some sort (that is how it can be classified as pain). Doesn't mean that the physical pain has to be inflicted on him though. A guy watching his wife be tortured is mental pain, because he is feeling her physical pain.

Clear as mud. Why are you including sodomy on the list? Your inconsistencies, if spun and attached to a turbine, could power a Kansas town.

Now that you've proved that waterboarding is not torture (that is, the waterboarding we do, not the waterboarding they do) it's time to move on! Have your friends move you through various stress positions until you collapse, then hit you until you get up again, while keeping you awake for eleven days. I can't wait to hear how it's not torture.