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    Default The art of fueling conflicts

    It seems to work quite well - I realized that Persia is very much underdeveloped, so they simply could not contest the Ottomans as I liked them to do.
    So I gave them all tech I could. (they had to upgrade their buildings)
    The following rounds I continued feeding them with tech - and suddenly they owned Baghdad

    I also started to support Prussia and Poland, because I want to slow Austria down. It seems to work so far as well.
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Which faction are you playing?

    This can be a little dangerous if you need to fight them later.

    I would surely not do it if I were Russia.

    I supported Sweden in my Austrian campaign with tech and money. Some how they never managed to do anything. They even lost to Coreland. I had to wipe out Denmark to keep them in the game. I stopped supporting them and just gave them state gifts to keep them happy and defeated the enemies my self.

    Any way I didn’t find it worth while to support nations that are too weak or those who may become too strong.

    I don’t know if it is the game AI or just the faction AI but I have not found it beneficial for one reason or another.


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    A nation still needs the right conditions to prevail even if you just dump technology and cash on them. If their provinces aren't capable of producing enough money of their own, or they don't have an effective route of attack (clear land), then nothing will happen.

    The Ottoman Empire always has much larger concerns to the north and west, so Persia are well placed to take advantage of what is probably an almost entirely undefended frontier if you help them.
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Liberator View Post
    It seems to work quite well - I realized that Persia is very much underdeveloped, so they simply could not contest the Ottomans as I liked them to do.
    So I gave them all tech I could. (they had to upgrade their buildings)
    The following rounds I continued feeding them with tech - and suddenly they owned Baghdad

    I also started to support Prussia and Poland, because I want to slow Austria down. It seems to work so far as well.
    Persia in my campaigns very often captures Armenia and Mesopotamia. I don't think that your tech aid have helped the AI very much.
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    The main problem is that some factions will never, ever expand and go on the offensive. If you can find one that will, sending them gold and techs will help. I do it occasionally.
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Tech won't cause a country to expand, but it will help countries defend themselves that you don't want to fall. As Prussia, I didn't want Sweden to fall to expanding Poland. They held their own much better after bayonets, the first firing drill, and the first canon tech...

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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Tech is useful. But a garrison and invasion force is the most useful thing you can have. The Ottomans are too busy with Europe to handle Africas defence. Strike them and the Barbary States if you can!

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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    I'm not interested in war with the Ottomans, and I own the Barbary State territory already.
    I want Persia to do the dirty work for me
    The Ottomans just bore me as they don't stop spamming ships.
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Quote Originally Posted by DisruptorX View Post
    The main problem is that some factions will never, ever expand and go on the offensive. If you can find one that will, sending them gold and techs will help. I do it occasionally.
    In fact if you look at MikeV's data extract some factions are literally listed as "non-expansionist"

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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Quote Originally Posted by nafod View Post
    In fact if you look at MikeV's data extract some factions are literally listed as "non-expansionist"
    Where can I find this?!
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    Another fun little plan; if the enemy are having a lot of trouble keeping all their provinces under control.....dump all the enlightenment techs on them. Enjoy your rebellion ****hole, I'll send a couple armies to clean it up for you.
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Liberator View Post
    Where can I find this?!
    Here .







    I just realised I should probably show you the specific data He was refering too Main Pack/Factions , and point out that Non Expansionist doesn't determine [i]absoulute behaviour as I've seen Wurtenburg {non expansionist} tear Prussia and Austria appart and dominate central Europe without and help or interfereance on my part {in a Great Britain game} , so it clearly is a description of behaviour tendancy and not certainty .
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    Default Re: The art of fueling conflicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Monsieur Alphonse View Post
    Persia in my campaigns very often captures Armenia and Mesopotamia. I don't think that your tech aid have helped the AI very much.
    I'm in the 80's and Persia has been in war with the Ottomans since ... around 1720?! and so far they didn't manage to conquer anything.

    On the one hand, you may be right that it does not helped very much, but on the other hand, it can still make the difference.
    And I am sure it did - Persia was very underdeveloped, they did not even had "basic procurement" or how it is called in 1775
    And as an AI faction, they get their bonuses, and so what seems a lite bit to tech to us has a much bigger impact on the AI

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Which faction are you playing?

    This can be a little dangerous if you need to fight them later.
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