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    Dragoons provide a bonus to keeping civil unrest down? If I remember correctly, the narrative mentions this but I didn't know it would be reflected in-game. By far the worst for me was Vienna. I had to keep a full stack there for ~18 turns and a half stack for another 10 to put down the continuous rebellions. When I captured it the plebs were at -30something happiness. I have never seen the occupation figure shrink by more than one per turn, regardless of how many troops I keep there. You would think a brutal peacekeeping force led by a decorated general would have a long term impact by influencing the rate in addition to the per-turn garrison.
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    Dragoons do double the amount of any other units. 20 dragoons would be the equivalent of 40 of any other troops. That is both dragoons and light dragoons that get the bonus.

    There upkeep is more but not so much as two line infantry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sic semper tyrannis View Post
    You would think a brutal peacekeeping force led by a decorated general would have a long term impact by influencing the rate in addition to the per-turn garrison.
    You would think, but there were still rebellions against rome, and really there ain't much in history to compare to rome's brutality when it came to keeping a population in line.

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    What I mostly hate is the inequity. Let me explain:

    As United Provinces I took (and eliminated) France. The discontent level was so high that even with tax exemption and a full stack left as garrison I couldn't hold the province. Then I gave it to the Spanish in exchange for peace (secretly hoping for a revolt and a new France, maybe a new trade partner?). For the next 15 years, Spain/AI had no problem holding France with a minimal garrison (2 or 3 units).

    I took it again. It is rioting again, even though Paris it's now garrisoned with a full stack of light dragoons and militia. I decided to keep France, no matter what, just to see how long it will take for it to calm down. It's like an experiment now. 8 turns later it's still tax exempted and still in the yellow/red. It costs me a lot of upkeep. Next time, I'll just sell those nice juicy fat national provinces I take.

    If there's a secret on how the AI suppresses so efficiently newly conquered regions, I would love to find it out.
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    A gifted province automatically loses all unrest from foreign occupation, even if it is at max currently. A bit silly if you consider that you and your ally are at war with someone, you take their province and sell/gift it to your ally and he has no problems at all.
    Works the other way around too of course, but unrealistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Tzepes View Post
    What I mostly hate is the inequity. Let me explain:

    As United Provinces I took (and eliminated) France. The discontent level was so high that even with tax exemption and a full stack left as garrison I couldn't hold the province. Then I gave it to the Spanish in exchange for peace (secretly hoping for a revolt and a new France, maybe a new trade partner?). For the next 15 years, Spain/AI had no problem holding France with a minimal garrison (2 or 3 units).

    I took it again. It is rioting again, even though Paris it's now garrisoned with a full stack of light dragoons and militia. I decided to keep France, no matter what, just to see how long it will take for it to calm down. It's like an experiment now. 8 turns later it's still tax exempted and still in the yellow/red. It costs me a lot of upkeep. Next time, I'll just sell those nice juicy fat national provinces I take.

    If there's a secret on how the AI suppresses so efficiently newly conquered regions, I would love to find it out.
    With France from the UP the religious problem will multiply the problem. Also the churches that are in the province have to be torn down and rebuilt to your religion. Move in all the priests you can muster as Catholics and Protestants don’t convert very quickly. Anything you can convert to pleasure centers work better. One or at most two churches and two or three pleasure centers should ease the problem quickly, but the unrest will die down after the third cycle anyway so in another four to six turns they should get better.


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    Also I think the discontent keeps dropping by one per turn, without resetting to max, if a province changes hands again before discontent reaches zero. Been playing hot potato with austria and berlin as the potato and now it's down to a manageable 15. Could be confused about this though, I often am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Move in all the priests you can muster as Catholics and Protestants don’t convert very quickly.
    I have never seen religious unrest higher than 2, which is pretty laughable when you are in the red by 30 (good ol' Vienna).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sic semper tyrannis View Post
    I have never seen religious unrest higher than 2, which is pretty laughable when you are in the red by 30 (good ol' Vienna).
    Checking on my current turn as swedenaria in 3 spots that are still upset;

    moscow, orthodox/prot 64/36 and 1 college of divinity(prot) gives rel.hap bonus 2 no re.unhappiness penalty
    warsaw, 100% catholic and no church buldings gives no rel.hap bonus and rel.unhappiness penalty -2
    berlin, 100% prot and 1 college of divinity ( prot ) gives rel.hap bonus 4 and no rel.unhappiness penalty.

    so it looks like you can get a +4 and in comparison to taking over a heretical country +6

    I'm only looking at lower classes, nobles only worship money as far as I'm concerned.

    Oh, and swedes are protestants, though i've never actually met a swedish protestant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sic semper tyrannis View Post
    I have never seen religious unrest higher than 2, which is pretty laughable when you are in the red by 30 (good ol' Vienna).

    If there's more than 2 different religions the unrest can get high.

    I've seen religous unrest get as high as 6 with 4 different religions

    With 3 different religions I believe the unrest is 3
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    Highest i've seen is 10 for the barbary states when i conquered them as france.
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