OK then.....MPs expensives....

[Ja'chyra]

So politicians have been caught defrauding us, what will happen?

Not a thing, some may resign but they'll be back in a year when their boss thinks the uproar has died down.

I'm a civil servant and I know for a fact that if I done anything like this, and yes I do have all my receipts for expenses claims, I'd be sacked within the week.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Classic

[FactionHeir]

So politicians have been caught defrauding us, what will happen?

Not a thing, some may resign but they'll be back in a year when their boss thinks the uproar has died down.

I'm a civil servant and I know for a fact that if I done anything like this, and yes I do have all my receipts for expenses claims, I'd be sacked within the week.

So uh, would you like to disclose your expenses to your fellow Orgahs before the papers do?

[FactionHeir]

Guess where this is from?

Dunno, the onion maybe?

[naut]

Classic

Haha, look at that fat orange muppet. Who the hell does that guy think he is?

[InsaneApache]

I'm speechless. I really am. Talk about 'not getting it'.

A Devon MP standing down at the next election after a row about his expenses says the public should not have been allowed to see what he claimed.

Totnes Conservative MP Anthony Steen was alleged by the Daily Telegraph to have claimed more than £87,000 over four years for his country home.

Mr Steen said the public had no right to interfere with his private life.

He insisted his behaviour had been "impeccable" and that all his claims had been transparent.



Former barrister Mr Steen, 69, claimed ministers had "mucked up the system" by introducing the Freedom of Information Act.

He also suggested his critics were "jealous" because he lived in a large house that resembled Royal residence Balmoral, and had trees in the grounds that needed lopping.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8062284.stm

My flabbers been ghasted no end these last couple of weeks. But this one really takes the biscuit*.



*On expenses naturally.

[Scurvy]

"We have a wretched government here which has completely mucked up the system and caused the resignation of me and many others, because it was this government that introduced the Freedom of Information Act, and it is this government that insisted on the things which caught me on the wrong foot."

"As far as I am concerned, and as of this day, I don't know what the fuss is about."

[rory_20_uk]

Slightly Alice through the Looking Glass...

Criminals having a go at the police for collecting evidence and the Judge for wasting his time...

Possibly dementia settling in early for this poor confused parasite.

The abscess has been lanced, but I hope they do a proper job of draining and irrigating, else it'll just reform over time.

[Beskar]

This is just a symptom of our inefficient quasi-democracy. The whole system needs to be destroyed then rebuilt from scratch.

Obviously that sounds more drastic than what it would be like in practise. In practise, it would be working on the status quo while people work on drawing up an operational structure then simply move onto it.

As for the matter of hand, Local Councils should own the property, not the MP's themselves and the MP's are basically non-paying tenants. Failing that, they simply build a big apartment complex for the MP's to stay in near the commons. Either way, the MPs don't have the money themselves.

[Fragony]

I'm speechless. I really am. Talk about 'not getting it'.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8062284.stm

My flabbers been ghasted no end these last couple of weeks. But this one really takes the biscuit*.



*On expenses naturally.

Be a little bit more like the French, storm the Bastille. Right yesterday.

[Pannonian]

Louis, how high does this chap rate in terms of French politics?

[InsaneApache]

Louis, how high does this chap rate in terms of French politics?

Blimey if it carries on like this there will only be a choice of the greens or the BNP. Neither of which is palatable. So who is there left to vote for on the 4th? I want to exercise my civic duty but all these rascals have effectively taken away my vote. I'm seriosly beginning to despise the lot of them.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Louis, how high does this chap rate in terms of French politics?

EDIT: Let's rephrase: is it legitimate for him to be using the money to fund his campaign? If he doesn't keep it for himself, is it OK?

[rory_20_uk]

EDIT: Let's rephrase: is it legitimate for him to be using the money to fund his campaign? If he doesn't keep it for himself, is it OK?

What were the grounds for getting the money?

The EU spends vast amounts trying to get their message out that contrary to all evidence and the wishes of most it would work if only we give up all sovereign powers, democratic rights and wait 100 years...

[Fragony]

oops nvm, so is ukip

disgusting

[Louis VI the Fat]

Louis, how high does this chap rate in terms of French politics?

Bloody amateur, mate. Two million pounds? That's mayor of a small town stuff.

Incompetent plonkers your politicians, says I. When you manage to elbow your way up front for your turn at the through, get a snout full, sheesh.

Let's rephrase: is it legitimate for him to be using the money to fund his campaign? If he doesn't keep it for himself, is it OK?

Legitimate can mean two things here:

Legally allowed? If I'm not mistaken, most of the claimed expenses of the current scandal were perfectly legal.

Morally justified? Is that even a serious consideration for you? Me, I don't care whether a politician frauds to fund either a pro or a contra EU message. I only care about the fraud. He can not steal my money and then be smug about it too. Insufferable boor, our Nigel, representative of the standards of the UKIP:

Nigel Farage, who is calling on voters to punish "greedy Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MPs" at the European elections on 4 June, boasted of his personal expenses haul at a meeting with foreign journalists in London last week.

[Fragony]

Nigel Farage, who is calling on voters to punish "greedy Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MPs" at the European elections on 4 June, boasted of his personal expenses haul at a meeting with foreign journalists in London last week.

Could just as easily be that he was pointing out how easy it is to get a lot of money from the EU and that this story gets an Orwellian spin. The word 'boasting' is a bit suspect to say the least, he's no idiot. Full transcript or it didn't happen.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Could just as easily be that he was pointing out how easy it is to get a lot of money from the EU and that this story gets an Orwellian spin. The word 'boasting' is a bit suspect to say the least, he's no idiot. Full transcript or it didn't happen.

Yes, that is plausible.

Morally justified? Is that even a serious consideration for you? Me, I don't care whether a politician frauds to fund either a pro or a contra EU message. I only care about the fraud. He can not steal my money and then be smug about it too. Insufferable boor, our Nigel, representative of the standards of the UKIP

Think about this. The European Union uses a fortune of our money to fund a pro-Europe message, which is somehow perfectly OK - and yet the second some of that money is used to fund a eurosceptic viewpoint...

I'm sick of that double standard. If our money is going to be used to fund a pro-Europe vision, it had better also be used to fund an anti-Europe vision. That basically brings up the question if it was legitimate as he was not using it for personal expenses, but regardless, Fragony's point is also a good one.

[Furunculus]

Think about this. The European Union uses a fortune of our money to fund a pro-Europe message, which is somehow perfectly OK - and yet the second some of that money is used to fund a eurosceptic viewpoint...

I'm sick of that double standard. If our money is going to be used to fund a pro-Europe vision, it had better also be used to fund an anti-Europe vision. That basically brings up the question if it was legitimate as he was not using it for personal expenses, but regardless, Fragony's point is also a good one.

agreed.

if they are going to use our money then by god they will reflect our will.

[InsaneApache]

*Thinks frozen spherical object in a locker next to a blast furnace.*

[Furunculus]

on the subject of British corruption.................... compared to that of our neighbours:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...bad-.-.-..html

[Fragony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flt-...layer_embedded

Just pull the plug.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Maniac, Fragony, Furunculus - are you lot serious?

Politicians can steal your money? You don't mind? You actually applaude this corruption when 'your side' does it?

No wonder Nigel Farage can get away with lambasting the corruption of other politicians while simultanously boasting about his own enormous haul.



Why don't you give Nigel the number of your bank account? That he may just help himself, seeing as you don't mind his theft.

[Furunculus]

Maniac, Fragony, Furunculus - are you lot serious?

Politicians can steal your money? You don't mind? You actually applaude this corruption when 'your side' does it?

No wonder Nigel Farage can get away with lambasting the corruption of other politicians while simultanously boasting about his own enormous haul.



Why don't you give Nigel the number of your bank account? That he may just help himself, seeing as you don't mind his theft.

i don't see how i come into this?

[Fragony]

Maniac, Fragony, Furunculus - are you lot serious?

Politicians can steal your money? You don't mind? You actually applaude this corruption when 'your side' does it?

No wonder Nigel Farage can get away with lambasting the corruption of other politicians while simultanously boasting about his own enormous haul.



Why don't you give Nigel the number of your bank account? That he may just help himself, seeing as you don't mind his theft.

If you put it like that it is almost as if I didn't just post a video about ukip-hypocracy

[Louis VI the Fat]

Frag - I did indeed miss that video. Oopsy.
Furunculus - I added your name because of your post above (#49). Which I may have misunderstood then.

[Fragony]

we aren't angry just a little dissapointed

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Maniac, Fragony, Furunculus - are you lot serious?

Politicians can steal your money? You don't mind? You actually applaude this corruption when 'your side' does it?

You misunderstand me. I am saying that one group is essentially stealing my money and using it for their own gain, and though this does not excuse Farage, it shows the blatant hypocrisy and double standards in the European Union.

[Louis VI the Fat]

blatant hypocrisy and double standards in the European Union.

Yeah, I know. When the government steals my money to further their goals, they call it taxes. When I take my neighbours money to serve my cause, they call it theft. Hypocrit bastards.

[Fragony]

Yeah, I know. When the government steals my money to further their goals, they call it taxes. When I take my neighbours money to serve my cause, they call it theft. Hypocrit bastards.

Sounds flashy but the double standard is there, nobody would have given a crap had it been used to further us the EU. He used EU-money to campaign against the machine and pays the price. I am terribly dissapointed in ukip and it's members, glad we have our goldenboy, doesn't need to campaign the EU including the ukip does it for him.