Illogical Diplomatic Decisions

**Oaty** · 05-12-2009, 19:32

it is horrible but you can say it is improved as only the human player has a chance for a ceasefire.

The mughal empire(as great britain) came to me and asked for a ceasefire for only 30 grand. They need to make the AI not so greedy with diplomacy

**Greyblades** · 05-12-2009, 19:49

Actually, that may be it, the AI doesnt ever ceasefire with other AI because it cant accept its own deals.

**Prussian to the Iron** · 05-12-2009, 19:54

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Actually, that may be it, the AI doesnt ever ceasefire with other AI because it cant accept its own deals.

that is probably the most likely decision; the obvious choice then is to tone down the a.i. dumb-ass-ness with its demands.

i also want back the diplomatic-offer-niceness-o-meter that tells you if your offer is good or bad.

**uanime5** · 05-12-2009, 21:00

My problem with the AI is that it never wants to sell you tech, no matter how much tech you offer in return.

**Dayve** · 05-12-2009, 23:57

That's one part i actually don't mind... how realistic is it even? Even today the best of allies won't give their secrets away, at least not their best ones, maybe the lesser ones like a new rifle design and such.

Especially in those days were alliance were more fragile than ever, you could give technology away one week, and the next be at war.

**FactionHeir** · 05-13-2009, 00:12

I dislike the AI not wanting to take any amount of cash above 110k. Above that they just don't want any of it. Unless you offer several million, then they reconsider at times. In fact, Spain would happily give me 4 territories for 1. But they wouldn't sell any single one of those under 5 million (used a trainer to check how ridiculous this is - who in their right mind would pay this amount of money for New Mexico or Sardinia).

The other thing I dislike is that the AI has a set price for everything that they want your things for. Like they'll give you a set amount for a given region depending on how much they value it and won't give you a single coin more. On the other hand, if they see you have money (which they shouldn't be able to, as you as the human player can't tell how much the AI has), they will charge you more. So a tech they sell you for 22k normally, they won't sell you at below 80k if you have that amount of money. And again, if its an expensive tech and you happen to have more money than its worth, you might just get above 110k and have to pay even more to get over the AI's "I don't want your money" stance.

Basically early game diplomacy works. Mid and late game, it doesn't at all.

Oh, and Natives somehow never want to make peace with you for under several hundred thousand either (along with techs and what not)

**Dead Guy** · 05-13-2009, 08:15

I've found that the AI sometimes accepts cease fires that are very much not in their favour, but only when you've thoroughly whooped their ass. For example, I took all of spains american holdings, and after that they accepted a cease fire for all their tech and a hefty payment (and new mexico which I didn't bother to take by force). Likewise with France after i took french guyana and louisiana, then threatened Paris with a full stack on the bridge north of it.

BUT, I was drawn into a war with Prussia, didn't share a landborder (as UP) but I was allied with Hannover so I marched through Hannover and took Brandenburg from Prussia. I offer Prussia ceasefire for giving them Brandenburg back. I tried to get a nice payment back for the territory but they refused the deal however little I demanded of them in return. They even refused me giving them back the territory for nothing, even excluding the ceasefire. That's pretty appaling. Even when I took west prussia and they were down to one territory they would not accept a truce under any circumstances I could produce. So I sold west prussia to Hannover for 50000 instead. Of course, they countered my offer of 50000 with 57340.

Silly.

**Dayve** · 05-12-2009, 19:50

It's not the AI making peace with us that's the problem, it's them making peace with each other. I can usually get a peace settlement out of the AI for free, if not then a couple thousand if i can afford it. Problem is, they break the ceasefire immediately by destroying a farm or a town with a single unit of militia, which gives me horrible flashbacks to the AI stupidity of Rome, which we were told had been improved, and which clearly has not.