Boar Hunting

[Vuk]

We already had this discussion and I'm not going to revive it. By law, I'm not even allowed to hold a gun for the next 10 years, because I refused millitary service and did civil service instead.
Anyway, I read a statistic 2 weeks ago, that an american trained policeman has a chance of hitting a moving target at 3 feet at about 21%-25%. That decreases to under 10% up over 10 feet.
What I am saying, shooting a gun at a fast moving small animal that's in rage and wounded is nigh impossible.

It becomes much easier to hit when it is moving toward you. And you would have a better chance of hitting it with a gun than a bow or spear. Ever try hitting a charging animal with a spear? I once found myself the victim of a dog attack, and I tried to use the shovel I had to hit it with. Thing went under and to the side faster than I could comprehend and latched unto the sensitive (and blood vessel filled) flesh of my inner thigh. It missed my happy sack by a hair (note to those arguing on undies thread, if I was wearing boxers and had them hanging, I might be missing an egg and possibly the tip of the bacon now. Wearing briefs may have saved my future kid's life.) Darned little thing went right through my tough work jeans and ended up making huge gashes in my leg until it was called off. You would not believe how much area ONE bite from a stinking dog can damage. I lost a ton of blood, and still have scars to this day. I think that if I had a pistol, that filthy little thing would have had no head.

PS: I would like to see those statistics.
PPS: You now all know why I hate small dogs so much. :P The darned things are vicious.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I can understand using an atlatl to hunt boar as long as one had a gun backing them up. However, using a neanderthal stabbing spear seems a bit too risky.

[KukriKhan]

Texas.

Bring Crazed Rabbit with his full arsenal with you, for backup, and SFTS for pix and morale support (and the hunting license).

Hunt at dawn, and rotisserie slow-roast that sucker all day, open-pit, lotsa smoke. Drink German beer.

If the spear thing actually worked, have it bronzed, to mount under the tusks to hang on your library wall, so you tell your grankids about the time you hunted in the wild, wild west.

[Vuk]

I can understand using an atlatl to hunt boar as long as one had a gun backing them up. However, using a neanderthal stabbing spear seems a bit too risky.

lol, the atlatl takes a LOONG time to get even half way decent with, trust me. If you plan on hitting a moving target with it, you better practice a loooooot before hand.

[drone]

Judging from the manliness of his request, I don't think EMFM is intending to throw spears to kill the boar. He wants the traditional boar spear hunt, complete with cross guard.

[Hosakawa Tito]

lol, the atlatl takes a LOONG time to get even half way decent with, trust me. If you plan on hitting a moving target with it, you better practice a loooooot before hand.

Shooting at running game animals, especially dangerous ones, shouldn't even be considered except in an emergency such as a charge or attack. The chance of wounding is much too great so any responsible hunter would not attempt such a thing no matter what weapon they are using.

Taking game with a primitive weapon such as a bow & arrow or atlatl should entail much practice to become proficient at hitting one's motionless target at the weapon's effective range. That's the whole point of the exercise, the hunt and difficulty in mastering the needed skill to use a more inefficient weapon, not the kill itself.

Texas.

Bring Crazed Rabbit with his full arsenal with you, for backup, and SFTS for pix and morale support (and the hunting license).

Hunt at dawn, and rotisserie slow-roast that sucker all day, open-pit, lotsa smoke. Drink German beer.

If the spear thing actually worked, have it bronzed, to mount under the tusks to hang on your library wall, so you tell your grankids about the time you hunted in the wild, wild west.

Yeah, I'd request CR to back me up with a 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck. *hopefully he's a better shot than Dick Cheney*
SFTS can be our guide and host the barbeque in the backyard. Beers are on me.

[Tristuskhan]

Make no mistake, boars will kill you if you're not careful

they hate the smell of dogs, and the hunter's smell of powder and alcool.

Working all day long in the forest i can tell you only females are dangerous, and only when they are followed by piglets (thanks for the one who will teach me the proper english word). Males often charge when feeling cornered, but just in order to flee (step out of it's way and everything will be nice, if you are paralysed by fear, sorry for you, you should not have gone hunting). Females are liable to be nasty if you really deserve it, meaning if you take no care of the warnings (growls).

Having no dogs, no gun and no alcoolic fragrance, the boars usually keep concealed in the bushes and let you pass by. If they hear or smell you in time they will just flee away, but since I'm a seasoned forester, I move without a sound and they often wait for me to pass by and then run in my back.

I can think of many, many much more dangerous species.

PS: for those who could say we only have toy boars in Europe, the biggest male killed this winter in my neighbourhood was more than 500 lbs.

edit: good point about the need to practice much before trying "primitive" weapons, Hosakawa

[Vuk]

Shooting at running game animals, especially dangerous ones, shouldn't even be considered except in an emergency such as a charge or attack. The chance of wounding is much too great so any responsible hunter would not attempt such a thing no matter what weapon they are using.

Taking game with a primitive weapon such as a bow & arrow or atlatl should entail much practice to become proficient at hitting one's motionless target at the weapon's effective range. That's the whole point of the exercise, the hunt and difficulty in mastering the needed skill to use a more inefficient weapon, not the kill itself.

I cannot stand to kill things, so I have never actually hunted with primitive weapons, only practiced with them. :P From what I have read about hunting with the atlatl or with a hand thrown javelin though, you have to get close enough that you prey may very well run. It is not the same a gun where we can stand in our tree stands and wait for them to stop moving. Trust me, I know about taking ethical shots, but I am just not sure how possible it is with primitive weapons. I have never hunted with one myself, so I only know what I have read and my own experience with still (and non-living) targets. :P

Yeah, I'd request CR to back me up with a 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck. *hopefully he's a better shot than Dick Cheney*

This is the Frontroom.

[Fixiwee]

PS: I would like to see those statistics.

Sure.


Hit Potential In Gun Fights

The police officer's potential for hitting his adversary during armed
confrontation has increased over the years and stands at slightly over 25% of
the rounds fired. An assailant's skill was 11% in 1979.

In 1990 the overall police hit potential was 19%. Where distances could be
determined, the hit percentages at distances under 15 yards were:

Less than 3 yards ..... 38%
3 yards to 7 yards .. 11.5%
7 yards to 15 yards .. 9.4%

In 1992 the overall police hit potential was 17%. Where distances could be
determined, the hit percentages at distances under 15 yards were:

Less than 3 yards ..... 28%
3 yards to 7 yards .... 11%
7 yards to 15 yards . 4.2%
http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

Those are statistics for specially trained people who eat too many donuts. But anyway, it shows how difficult it is to shoot moving stuff, and our view on gun fights have been tainted by hollywood.

[Crazed Rabbit]

We already had this discussion and I'm not going to revive it. By law, I'm not even allowed to hold a gun for the next 10 years, because I refused millitary service and did civil service instead.

Anyways...

Anyway, I read a statistic 2 weeks ago, that an american trained policeman has a chance of hitting a moving target at 3 feet at about 21%-25%. That decreases to under 10% up over 10 feet.

I wouldn't be surprised. But hunters are generally better shots; they shoot for fun. It's not a work obligation, it's a hobby. Many cops don't shoot very often; sometimes just to qualify once or twice a year.

What I am saying, shooting a gun at a fast moving small animal that's in rage and wounded is nigh impossible.

Simplified, though, by the fact that the animal is going to come straight at you.

piglets (thanks for the one who will teach me the proper english word)

I believe that is it.

*hopefully he's a better shot than Dick Cheney*

I know not to shoot at something without knowing what's behind it.

CR

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I know it can be dangerous, and I know what boars are capable of.
I know that boars can be killed with spear, and I know that this is still done in the USA (and that foreign hunters apparently come to do it).
I do not want to throw a spear (which seems kind of silly anyway).
I am smart enough to hunt in a group and with backup (which seems to be how it is generally done in the Southern USA when spears are used).
I do not have anything to prove - I want to know more about what it is like.
There isn't much chance of me doing this for at least another two years.
Panzer has helped me quite a bit in this thread, and I thank him for that.

More questions?

[Hosakawa Tito]

I know not to shoot at something without knowing what's behind it.

CR

That'll work for me.

Well, EMFM, seems you got some work to do to get ready. Better get in Neanderthal shape, work on those wrists and forearms. Be able to chase after the pack of hounds on foot, and have enough left when you get there to thrust that spear hard enough to get the job done. All the while avoiding stabbing any dogs *guides would really not appreciate that*, and side-stepping snapping dog jaws and boar tusks.....Hmmm...sounds like a young man's game to me. praise the Lord & pass me the shotgun.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm trying to find some organizations or groups who do this on a regular basis. There appear to be at least a few of these based in the Southern United States (mostly Texas it seems), so I'll try to get some telephone numbers to see exactly what is involved.*


*Something which is proving to be slightly challenging.

[Hosakawa Tito]

If and when you do try it I wanna see the pics.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Speaking of which, does anyone have any good boar recipies?

[Samurai Waki]

Well, if you're going to Texas I know they have some recipes that will make you want to kill a few more.

[Ja'chyra]

So you want to prove you can do it but still have a guy with a gun ready to save your neck when it inevitably all goes wrong?

Nice

[Vuk]

Keine Schweine!
Kein Schweinefleisch!
I can see killing it to rid the world of the abominations, but to eat it? There are better meats out there my friend, you don't have to eat die Schweine. Pork is the most unhealthy meat there is I believe. There are plenty of those Schweinesser out there you can give it to.
Die Schweine töten. Die Schweine nicht essen.


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[Sarmatian]

I know it can be dangerous, and I know what boars are capable of.
I know that boars can be killed with spear, and I know that this is still done in the USA (and that foreign hunters apparently come to do it).
I do not want to throw a spear (which seems kind of silly anyway).
I am smart enough to hunt in a group and with backup (which seems to be how it is generally done in the Southern USA when spears are used).
I do not have anything to prove - I want to know more about what it is like.
There isn't much chance of me doing this for at least another two years.
Panzer has helped me quite a bit in this thread, and I thank him for that.

More questions?

Yes, you do understand that your penis won't be bigger after that?

Besides that, just good luck...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So you want to prove you can do it but still have a guy with a gun ready to save your neck when it inevitably all goes wrong?

I don't want to prove it to anyone, I want to do it. There is a rather large difference there. What do you think, that I'll use it as an opening line for women in bars? I don't think so.

I also think you're being a bit harsh with "inevitably", considering it is done in that region of the United States with success. That being said, I would like to ask for expert opinion. Panzer seems to be the closest to that on these forums, and when/if I decide to do it, I will give a call to someone experienced in these matters to see if I even have a chance (working with a guided group of course).

Yes, you do understand that your penis won't be bigger after that?

Don't worry, it doesn't need to be.

[Hosakawa Tito]

There's no need for the disparging comments made toward EMFM. Your approval isn't required so let's keep this banter friendly or unfriendly things might happen.

Speaking of which, does anyone have any good boar recipies?

I've eaten feral hog/wild boar meat in the past, barbequed on a big rotissere and also smoked like farm raised ham & sausage, and it was delicious. Harvesting one's own should make it taste even better. However, unlike their pampered farm cousins, wild pigs have to actually run for their supper so I imagine they are a bit leaner and certain parts may be tougher.

Seems like quite a challenge to take one with a spear, and without the link provided by PJ I didn't think there were outfits/organizations that hosted such hunts. Sounds like something Tred Barta would do. Good luck!

[PanzerJaeger]

So you want to prove you can do it but still have a guy with a gun ready to save your neck when it inevitably all goes wrong?

Nice

Actually, primitive hunting is about developing different skill sets and increasing the challenge, and thus the reward, of the hunt - not about proving anything to anyone or dick size. While spear hunting is something of peculiarity here in the States, black powder and archery hunting are both extremely popular. It often takes a far greater mastery of both the weapons and the forest to be successful hunting with these weapons than the typical scoped, high velocity rifle.

EMFM, in your search I would also make sure that you know exactly what you'll be hunting. I would be sure to distinguish between a canned hunt and real one. There are a lot of operations around the South that specialize in "monster" boars - not necessarily wild ones.

[Sarmatian]

I didn't want to offend anyone, sorry if it sounded that way. I just don't understand the point of it. Hunting a boar with a spear doesn't make sense to me, it isn't something you'll be applauded for, there's a greater chance you'll be ridiculed...

I just think it's a bad idea, it's dangerous, it doesn't prove anything and I'm pretty sure he'll regret it later and it was just my way of saying "don't!" to EMFM...

Sorry if it came out wrong, EMFM, wasn't my intention. We had enough interesting discussions for me to try to "get you" this way...

[Vuk]

I didn't want to offend anyone, sorry if it sounded that way. I just don't understand the point of it. Hunting a boar with a spear doesn't make sense to me, it isn't something you'll be applauded for, there's a greater chance you'll be ridiculed...

I just think it's a bad idea, it's dangerous, it doesn't prove anything and I'm pretty sure he'll regret it later and it was just my way of saying "don't!" to EMFM...

Sorry if it came out wrong, EMFM, wasn't my intention. We had enough interesting discussions for me to try to "get you" this way...

lol, I think it is kinda crazy too, but to be fair, I think I may know why he is doing it. I have hunted with primitive weapons myself (though nothing as dangerous as this). I did it to try to gain a deeper insight of what life was like, so I could understand history better. That is a pretty strong motivation.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

EMFM, in your search I would also make sure that you know exactly what you'll be hunting. I would be sure to distinguish between a canned hunt and real one. There are a lot of operations around the South that specialize in "monster" boars - not necessarily wild ones.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind, thank you.

I did it to try to gain a deeper insight of what life was like, so I could understand history better. That is a pretty strong motivation.

That is more or less it. I want the experience of course, and the greater feeling of reward (as Panzer suggested), but it is also partially interest in how it was historically done that motivates me.

Boar meat is also very tasty.

[rasoforos]

I believe that hunting boars with spears will reduce conservative influence in the Backroom (where I think this thread belongs since it is rather offensive for all us non-trigger-happy people hippies...

[Vuk]

I believe that hunting boars with spears will reduce conservative influence in the Backroom (where I think this thread belongs since it is rather offensive for all us non-trigger-happy people hippies...

um, spears don't have triggers...

(Should we tell him?)

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I don't know, I can always compromise.

[Oaty]

Oh come on John Locke hunts them with just a knife

[Samurai Waki]

Just make sure your outfitter isn't a Rancher in disguise, there's a place about sixty miles south of where I am that offers you the chance to hunt a Buffalo... in fact they're just farm raised Bison, and you go out to their pasture pick the one you want and kill it.

I don't get why anybody on earth would fall for it, but... some do.