Treasury size and loyalty

[rabcarl]

So I've been hearing that how many florins you have directly impacts the loyalty of provinces. Is there a cap here or does the loyalty bonus keep going up no matter how many florins you have in the bank? Also, is there any way to calculate how much of a loyalty bonus you're getting from x amount of florins?

[Knight of the Rose]

Well that one is quite easy to test, and don't require a full mythbuster writeup. Sounds promising, but I havn't noticed it before.

So I started a campaign, spent all the money and went in the red, moved all my troops out of all my provinces and noted loyalty. Then I cheated to receive a million florins and noted province loyalty. Then I waited a turn to see if the treasury should be full at the beginning of the turn.

Result: Treasury has NO impact whatsoever on province loyalty.



/KotR

[drone]

I think the only affect of a large treasury is the corrupting influence on the governors. Once the treasury goes over 50K, a lot of vices start appearing on their scrolls. These vices can then affect loyalty.

[Axalon]

Hi guys,

All I know is that is seems to be some connection between maintaing a good economy, making some "profit"/surplus in florins for the royal coffers, and influence which probably have an impact on loyalty as a result. As soon as the the yearly budget goes "negative" your influence are likely to drop as well. That info might be intresteing here....


- Cheers

[nzd07]

That's a good point, but it would be a lot more realistic if it affected your direct happiness/popularity.
Money always makes everyone happy!

Somone should make a mod that has this connection if there already isn't one!

[Roark]

The only thing I've noticed with an increasingly-abundant treasury is that all of my governors become corrupt gamblers.... or completely insane.

[Jxrc]

I dont't think that the amount of florins you have affect the loyalty of your governor.
If I am correct, your governors get bad V&V (gambler, poor farmer, Brigands and thiefs), once you have conquered many provinces (I would say 40 but not sure at all).
Having more than 50K does not change a thing IIRC. It does have a impact in RTW but not in MTW.

[gaijinalways]

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

[Martok]

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

I wouldn't say it happens "suddenly". What's happening is that, for all intents & purposes, you're simply seeing the effects of armies rebelling after so many years without pay.

[gaijinalways]

You have a point there. If my salary 'suddenly' disappeared, I'm not sure how loyal I would be. Actually, since I'm a professional part-time ronin, my loyalty hangs by a 'coin' anyway.

But I have had it happen pretty quickly in some cases, so maybe those men thought they deserved raises earlier. That or all that razing with no sharing the women did it...

[dragula42]

To my knowledge all that affects loyalty in a province are

spy activity (yours or theirs)
religious activity
management (corruption, good traits, bad traits, etc.)
tax rates
buildings
how long you've had the province


I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

[dragula42]

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..
I know this has been a problem for me in RTW as I have to continually build to please the underlings of the city or I'd continually get riots and revolts... so I had to RomeShell some money just to survive as a faction... I hate doing it but I don't see an alternative...

[Martok]

I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

Fortunately, population/overcrowding isn't something you have to worry about in MTW.

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..

I don't think the size of your treasury affects loyalty of your provinces, just with your armies. So long as you're not taxing them too much, I doubt the "people" care very much about how much money you have....the troops in your armies, however, care a great deal.

[gaijinalways]

Martok posted

I don't think the size of your treasury affects loyalty of your provinces, just with your armies. So long as you're not taxing them too much, I doubt the "people" care very much about how much money you have....the troops in your armies, however, care a great deal.

Good point, troops that are not paid will rebel! That's why you do have to use mercs sparingly, as their loyalty is particularly capricious,; if the cash isn't there soon, they're gone!

[dragula42]

Ah yes, this makes much sense Martok. Why would a soldier stay if he isn't getting paid anything? lol.

Could that perhaps be a factor in the cause of those pesky civil wars?

[Martok]

Ah yes, this makes much sense Martok. Why would a soldier stay if he isn't getting paid anything? lol.

Indeed. Most of these blokes don't fight solely because of patriotism or loyalty to their liege lord (i.e., you); earning coin is most certainly one of their primary motivations.

Could that perhaps be a factor in the cause of those pesky civil wars?

I don't know that it really causes civil wars per se. However, it could easily aggravate any....domestic problems you may be experiencing.