Teen charged with 19 feline murders

[Csargo]

Ok. I'll go stomp 19 front-yard gardens in my neighbourhood and make some housewives angry. Sentence me to life.

This kid is pretty messed up in the head if he actually did all of what he's charged with. I'm not sure a life sentence is the right thing, but considering what's he has been charged with maybe it's not such a bad thing.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I killed some flies yesterday...

Yes, but did you pull their wings and legs off them first.

I wonder what made Mr. Weinman a "person of interest"?

I'd like to know the answer to that myself. Was anyone else involved, and/or did the accused talk or brag to friends about this? Were the cats the target or the cat owners or both? He didn't just torture/mutilate and kill them, he also left them on display for the owners to find. Maximize the cruelty and pain inflicted, pretty sick indeed.

I doubt very much he'll get a life sentence. Law enforcement spokesmen frequently toss out that kind of "we're tough on crime" verbage, but the actual sentence is usually much less. However, this young man definitely needs long term professional help or his next victims might be humans.

[rory_20_uk]

I'm an unashamed cat lover.

Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.

[Beskar]

I'm an unashamed cat lover.

Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.

I would hate to think what the punishment would be for abortion.

[Fragony]

I'm an unashamed cat lover.

same. If someone would do that to my cat I would kill him if I had the chance, or at least hurt him very badly.

But life in prison, we have padded walls for the mentally unstable. Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all. If there is no improvement he is where he belongs, the nuthouse.

[Meneldil]

But life in prison, we have padded walls for the mentally unstable. Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all. If there is no improvement he is where he belongs, the nuthouse.

When you go that far at that age, there's no help or hope. When people are ****** up beyond sanity, they cannot go back.

[Fragony]

When you go that far at that age, there's no help or hope. When people are ****** up beyond sanity, they cannot go back.

Maybe, but if you take a little distance, should someone who kills cats do life in prison it are animals we kill them every day, he's a sick puppy but I think the charges against him are rediculous. Bit like the animal right thread, what good are rights you can't understand, it aren't any real rights he has broken to me. Life in prison for cats? Not that don't I think 'muahahaha rot' mind you. He should be locked away for sure, but criminal charges aren't the way to go here imho.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sounds more like a case for the mental institution to me...





I mean... 158 years for having killed 19 chickens?

Rats?

Bats?

Cows?

I know cats are all cute and stuff...

But since when did we organize the law after how cute the victim was?

[Lemur]

But since when did we organize the law after how cute the victim was?

Once again, the single most reliable predictor of violent behavior toward humans is violence toward animals. So it's not a question of how cute and fluffy the victim is, rather it's a question of what do you do with someone who has a very high likelihood of hurting other human beings down the line.

I know some U.S. states have begun programs of mandatory anger management and counseling for people convicted of animal abuse. Seems pretty sensible to this lemur.

[Fragony]

Once again, the single most reliable predictor of violent behavior toward humans is violence toward animals. So it's not a question of how cute and fluffy the victim is, rather it's a question of what do you do with someone who has a very high likelihood of hurting other human beings down the line.

And that is why he shouldn't be on the streets but in the nuthouse, the only consideration should be protecting society. But criminal charges, that is rediculous. Think of what the PETA will do with it for example.

[atheotes]

whoa... a lot of people are over reacting... what he did is despicable... but i think he should be sent for rehabilitation not for a life in prison.
Killing cats not equal to murdering a human... otherwise we would all have to become vegan or accept cannibalism

[miotas]

Err, do you see a slight difference between removing a pest from your house and torturing and killing a cat ?!

Sick as hell, i absolutely adore cats they are the cutest things around...

Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia, destroying ecosystems and devastating native wildlife populations. Kill them all and do the world a favour I say. I would applaud anyone who kills cats. If I see cats, rabbits, cane toads or any other pest on the roads I will try to hit them rather than swerve to avoid them.

I'm an unashamed cat lover.

Killing one in all but the most exceptional curcumstances and not merely in the cat's best interest means the individual should be skinned alive and be placed on the floor as a blood eagle and left to die. Hanging by own skin / entrails is an acceptable alternative.

Read above ^ Letting cats live in any circumstance, in my book would warrant punishment. I realise with their popularity as pets this will never happen, but I strongly believe that pet cats should be kept locked up, think about it, no responsible dog owner lets their dog roam free. Keeping dogs locked in a yard is an accepted norm but letting those horrible pests wander free to do and kill as they please is also an accepted norm. This is why I hate cat lovers.

And that is why he shouldn't be on the streets but in the nuthouse, the only consideration should be protecting society. But criminal charges, that is rediculous.

I agree. While I encourage killing cats, it is the tourture and then leaving the bodies where the families could find them that is the worry. Put him in a white padded cell and leave him there until his problems are sorted, if this actually turns out to be a life sentence then so be it, but life imprisonment is going to far.

Yes, but did you pull their wings and legs off them first.:smash

You mean making a walk? You need to leave the legs on for that. I used to like doing that as a kid

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

What happened to my post ?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So your arguing that killing cats should have stricter punishment then rape?

One rape vs. nineteen tortured and killed cats, four cases of burglary? Sentences stack, so it would make sense. One rape should not have the same sentence as one tortured and killed cat, but nineteen, and burglary? At least.

If you are fussed about it, raise the rape sentence.

I've killed four mice this past winter when they tried making a home out of my house. One was pregnant.

You plan on sentencing me to 10 years for this, mister Judge-on-your-high-throne?

The two really do not relate. At all. Even close. Did you kill some pests, or did you kill nineteen animals that other people owned, some of them by skinning to death? Yeah, thought so.

Ok. I'll go stomp 19 front-yard gardens in my neighbourhood and make some housewives angry. Sentence me to life.

Please try to understand the point we're making. Unless you see nothing remotely wrong with skinning a cat alive.

[Reverend Joe]

I think the "cute animals" reaction needs to be held back for a moment. My first reaction was not to the murder, but the serial torturing of animals, and personally that's what really scares me about this kid. It indicates a pathological urge to enjoy and revel in the pain, suffering and eventual death of living beings. That means that this kid is eventually going to start killing humans once dumb beasts don't give him enough pleasure anymore.

Yes, I know imprisonment seems extreme at first to some people ("they're just cats, not people") but the problem is, with people like this, it WILL be people, and probably fairly soon. I will grant that he should have serious psychological treatment, though; but still, I wouldn't feel safe if he were ever released into general society. People with this kind of mentality are unable to function normally because of their basic instincts.

I'll wait until the next kid comes by and starts telling me how cute mice are.

I used my hockey stick for the most part. You have to hit them quick just to stun them for a moment, then use the time to take a slapshot and send them hurling against the wall. Then you can start hacking them until they're dead, or maybe just step on them and hear all the bones break beneath your heel. I've never personally stepped on any, but it was a favourite of my grampa's back on the reserve.

Anyways, yes, this kid killed a bunch of cats. Go ahead, mourn their deaths, cry in a corner. But he should be sent to a mental institution for rehabilitation, not a prison (where he'll no doubt be raped over and over by the men coldly abandoned by an uncaring society).

There's nothing wrong with killing disease-carrying pests. In fact, my first instinct would be to stomp them as soon as you stun them; it's messy, but quick and effective. But on the other hand, if you caught mice and slowly tortured them to death, this would indicate some serious problems on your part.

[LittleGrizzly]

Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia

Sure, its pretty simple. Removing pests fine. Torturing animals for your own sick amusement, not fine.

I said i absolutely adore cats but i don't think my opinion on cats should effect the law, as i see it he's being locked up for enjoying torturing animals for his own sadistic pleasure then because they were cats.... also the sentence mentioned is just the culmative sentence he could get for all his crimes... theres no way in hell he'll get anywhere near 100 odd years...

Edit: I think Rev said it well, it doesn't matter how cute the animals were, its what he was doing to them and why...

[drone]

Regardless of how much jail time he gets, when he hits age ~27 they need to watch this guy like a drunken reality star.

[Megas Methuselah]

Kid doesn't belong in jail he needs help most of all.

Exactly. He's still a kid, with a whole life ahead of him. You can't just give up on him. That's make you no different than the common murderer.

But on the other hand, if you caught mice and slowly tortured them to death, this would indicate some serious problems on your part.

Yep, which is why I suggests a mental insititution.

Please try to understand the point we're making. Unless you see nothing remotely wrong with skinning a cat alive.

Oh, go read my posts.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Exactly. He's still a kid, with a whole life ahead of him. You can't just give up on him. That's make you no different than the common murderer.

Oh, my darling child enjoys murdering and torturing sentinent and intelligent beings to death on a regular basis. But he's just a child...oh, wait, he's an adult, nevermind.

So how are NDP donations going at this time of year?

Oh, go read my posts.

I kind of quoted them.

[Reverend Joe]

Yep, which is why I suggests a mental insititution.

I understand a mental institution, but activity like this really scares me, and I honestly would prefer that this guy be kept out of normal society for the rest of his life. He has severe mental problems.

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind roasting a skinned cat over a barbecue. The cuteness factor is not the problem. The problem is torture; that indicates severe mental problems. This dude needs to be locked up for good.

[Veho Nex]

I understand a mental institution, but activity like this really scares me, and I honestly would prefer that this guy be kept out of normal society for the rest of his life. He has severe mental problems.

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind roasting a skinned cat over a barbecue. The cuteness factor is not the problem. The problem is torture; that indicates severe mental problems. This dude needs to be locked up for good.

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[KukriKhan]

I killed some flies yesterday...

So did our esteemed Presidente. Every cable news network ran the video and had commentary on it for several hours yesterday, and into today.

Not a word about the cat-torturer.

I'm beginning to wonder about the "lock 'em up forever" solution to folks who exhibit behavior that we have come to think of as recidivist: animal-torturers, peadophiles, etc. Guys who we think will present a life-long danger to society. Up 'til now I've been a "do the crime, pay the time (then it's over)" kinda guy, but now I wonder.

[Rob The Bastard]

I would imagine he has been seen, since his arrest, by a psyciatrist who will present his findings to the judge.

Can't jail him forever for torturing the moggies.
Cant give him preventative detention forever for torturing the moggies.

I'm sure that the judge will give him the most appropriate sentence.

But he needs watching... carefully. Very carefully.

Bad Boy!

[Adrian II]

It's been demonstrated by several studies that animal cruelty is the single biggest indicator of violence toward humans later in life. Not video games, not abusive parents, not comic books, not sexual "deviancy." If you want to find the rapist/murderer of tomorrow, look at the animal abuser of today.

So the guy should get life on the basis of a statistical probability that he will one day turn into a serial killer? Either I misunderstand you or a certain lemur has been out in the sun for too long..

[Husar]

WE'd all be jailed for playing killergames.

[Jolt]

Does that mean I can kill cats? They are terrible pests in Australia, destroying ecosystems and devastating native wildlife populations. Kill them all and do the world a favour I say. I would applaud anyone who kills cats. If I see cats, rabbits, cane toads or any other pest on the roads I will try to hit them rather than swerve to avoid them

I'd be in favor of putting a bomb in your car to explode upon any impact with the car. That way, I'd be sure that you don't savagely kill cats and other animals.

[Fragony]

Cats are a pest in Australia, they are too good at what they are doing and they are threatening native species. I absolutely adore cats but they are just as much relentless predators as they are cute. In Australia wild cats are causing extinction of many a species, that would make them pests.

[miotas]

Introduced species are a terrible problem in Australia, so if I see a cat, fox, rabbit or cane toad on the road then I'm sure as hell gonna make sure that I hit it. Pest control costs the government billions, so if I can do my little bit by maintaining a straight course when there is a cat on the road then goddammit I'm gonna bloody well do it.

If you told any Aussie to their face that they were a terrible person for killing pest animals then at best you would get a hard stare and be told to leave immediately before you come to bodily harm, and at worst you'd get kicked in the balls and thrown as painfully as possible down the closest set of stairs.

[Fragony]

Sick, there are hunters to do that, and they make sure it's dead and not just wounded. I agree cats should be shot in ozzyland but really

[Adrian II]

Great. Now it's car bombs against cat-killers versus throwing cat-lovers down stairwells in the interest of wildlife. Animals, all of you.