Official EB Tournement Thread

[antisocialmunky]

There is no map list. I can recommend a few good flat one with a few trees.

[JinandJuice]

Aye, since the rules have been changed, I guess I'll have to switch from AS to Roma now. So please sign me up for Roma.

[antisocialmunky]

You weren't registered in this thread :-p. BTW- I've started to post the unit lists. I'm doing it alphabetically, you might want to check it out if you're the 'A' factions or Rome.

[JinandJuice]

Well thx regardless. btw, some small questions:

Can Roma use Cohors Reformata instead of Cohors Imperatoria in the Imperial Reforms? I have a little trouble running the Imperatoria units because they're so detailed. Considering that the 2 units have exactly the same stats, I'd rather have the unit that doesn't lag out my computer when I zoom in. Although historically inaccurate, I think what matters more is player performance, especially when the stats are exactly the same.

Are Sagittari Auxilia and Heavy Auxiliary Infantry considered mercenary/allied units?

And you mentioned heavy gallic cavalry as mercenary units, but are light gallic cavalry merc units as well?

[antisocialmunky]

1)Go for it. They are identical AFAIK. If anything htey have lower morale...
2)Factional like hte EB site
3)If its not on the list, its merc/allied.

[Flavius_Belisarius]

@Antisocialmunky

Could you please anwer my last question which i asked at the very end on the second site of this thread.

[Phalanx300]

And Antisocialmunkey, I edited it a while ago but you can put me in the Sweboz team after all.

And the Germanic naked fanatics (black dyed ones) are factional troops. (As they are part of a certain Germanic tribe, just as Spartiatai Hoplitai are part of the Koinen Hellenon factional troops)

[antisocialmunky]

@Antisocialmunky

Could you please anwer my last question which i asked at the very end on the second site of this thread.

Yeah, only 1 chevron(experience), no other upgrades. You can check opponent's armies after the battle to make sure.

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Ahh thanks because yesterday i played against agrippa, he used those weapon upgrades and said that they are allowed but maybe i understood him false, his english isnt that well.

Edit.: @Antisocialmunky

Pls add me to macedonia, i got enough of seleucids and their crappy cataphracts :P

[Alexandros]

sign me up too antisocialmunky for Makedonia:D

[Flavius_Belisarius]

@Antisocialmunky

Again i have to request you to check my lest question which ive added with a edit. ^^

[darius_d]

Great list, ASM,

I have one doubt about Syrian Archers (I mentioned that some time ago):
Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm

their stats are those of Kretikoi Toxotai - who are elite:
- they have a lot of arrows, shooting very long range and effective from their powerful eastern bows. They also wear lorica armor, which makes them very well protected against opposing archers (for example Numidian archers who are quite good are just torn away by them), and on top of that, thanks to their powerful stats (plus armor) they stand well against cavalry so after shooting out all arrows they are decent auxilia infantry. So why they are not elite?

[vartan]

Great list, ASM,

I have one doubt about Syrian Archers (I mentioned that some time ago):
Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm

their stats are those of Kretikoi Toxotai - who are elite:
- they have a lot of arrows, shooting very long range and effective from their powerful eastern bows. They also wear lorica armor, which makes them very well protected against opposing archers (for example Numidian archers who are quite good are just torn away by them), and on top of that, thanks to their powerful stats (plus armor) they stand well against cavalry so after shooting out all arrows they are decent auxilia infantry. So why they are not elite?

Of course they are elite.

[darius_d]

Of course they are elite.

According to the list - no (as of yet).

[Phalanx300]

Wow, the Makedonians keep streaming in, stand in row for a cudgel headwork.

[antisocialmunky]

@Antisocialmunky

Again i have to request you to check my lest question which ive added with a edit. ^^

What the hell is the point of making a new post to direct to an editted post?

[tsidneku]

Sorry in advance if this has been answered already, ASM.

Just to make sure that I have the idea down completely, we can play whomever we like as many times as we like? As long as we post the match replay/results onto the thread? Are there going to be 'match-ups'?

Thanks for all the time and effort that you are putting into organizing this, ASM.

[antisocialmunky]

Just play whoever you want. If they are tired of getting beaten by you, then they should stop playing you.

At the end of this, we'll have a winning faction with the most wins - losses and an individual winner who has the highest individual wins - losses. We can also have a biggest LULZ award, best battle, etc if we want afterwards.

@Guys - I'll make the heavy archers elite since since people seem to have issues with heavy archers. The only ones that will be limitted are the Syrian-type heavily armored archer that sit a rung above the Persian Heavy archer. Basically, archer 1337ness is determined by how well they do in a missile duel.

PS. Vartan PMed me the Hayasdan Unit List. If anyone want to submit a certain unit as a restricted or factional, PM me or post.

I will open the rooms and start the replay report thread tomorrow.

[vartan]

P.S. Jack, my friend, I just wanted to let you know that when you say, "I'm going to approve the Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry since Hay gets that Persian Empire reform," it is actually true that you can recruit Kinsmen heavies before the reform. I've a high enough level factional MIC that lets me recruit them, and I have not done reforms yet.

Your pal,
V

[Alsatia]

The Online Tournament is OPEN!!

I had to say it. It is the 1st of July. (sorry antisocialmunky)

Happy Gaming!

[antisocialmunky]

THE TOURNEMENT HAS STARTED.

I'm going to go open the new thread.

PS. Evocata are no longer considered elite, just high end professional. Other units that aren't elite have this status like Thorakitai and other veteran type units.

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Agrippa still doesnt understand that its not allowed to use sword and shild upgardes. :( I said it him several times, and he also said max 1 chevorn but he still uses that upgrades....

[tsidneku]

I was playing a friendly match with vartan and I had noticed that he used Pantodapoi Phalangitai. While I personally have no problems with that (as it makes sense that Hayasdan ought to be able to levy some native phalangites), the EB website neglects to mention this as a unit under the factional listings. It does, however, list standard Pantodapoi as a factional unit (the spearmen type -- not phalangites).

What say we do about this? Ought we classify them as mercenaries or include them as factional troops? I am leaning towards the latter option.

[darius_d]

THE TOURNEMENT HAS STARTED.

I'm going to go open the new thread.

PS. Evocata are no longer considered elite, just high end professional. Other units that aren't elite have this status like Thorakitai and other veteran type units.

Evocata not elite? a kind of surprise for me. anyway.

What about this Thorakitai status because I don't get what you mean - is there some limitation for these units or something?

[Alsatia]

Thorakitai were considered elite until now. Since they are elite, you have a limitation on how many you can have.

[antisocialmunky]

@Tsidneku - I'm agreeing with you. Parthia gets them so I'm inclined to add them. Hay is the other Persian/Iranian Successor faction so it would make sense to give them these troops so I will add them.

Thorakitai were not considered elite because they are extraordinarily overpriced for what they can do. So they kinda floated into a nebulous area between elite and professional. However, the fact that the Seleucids transitioned from phalanx to a Thorakitai type army made me classify them as a regular professional unit. Evocata occupy somewhat the same area. They are highly experienced in war but don't have any specialized training etc. They are just high end professionals like the Thorakitai. Besides, they were sometimes called back en masse by their old commanders during the Late Republic to fight the civil wars.

[vartan]

Forgot to add the Pantodapoi Phalangitai to the factional list.

[antisocialmunky]

Its there, use them, have fun.

[tsidneku]

Another addendum, ASM:

I was browsing around my units. The Pontikoi Thorakitai (Pontic Heavy Infantry) should probably be classified as non-elite. They have WORSE stats than the regular Thorakitai that factions like AS have, they also cost slightly less.

There was a typo/mistake in the EB Website that led me to believe that they were elite. They are named "Pontic Heavy Infantry" ingame, and in the stats comparison script that installs with the game, but they are called "Pontic Elite Infantry" on the website. It's the same unit.

Thanks.

[vartan]

Another addendum, ASM:

I was browsing around my units. The Pontikoi Thorakitai (Pontic Heavy Infantry) should probably be classified as non-elite. They have WORSE stats than the regular Thorakitai that factions like AS have, they also cost slightly less.

There was a typo/mistake in the EB Website that led me to believe that they were elite. They are named "Pontic Heavy Infantry" ingame, and in the stats comparison script that installs with the game, but they are called "Pontic Elite Infantry" on the website. It's the same unit.

Thanks.

They are not classified as elite. If you check the page on Pontikoi Thorakitai you will not read anywhere that they are elite.