Official EB Tournement Thread

[antisocialmunky]

K, changed. Though I'm not sure about them not being elite. They seemed to have been used as some sort of assault infantry but again are so mediocre that its hard to justify them being elite like the Hellenic Cataphracts. However unlike Hellenic Cataphracts, Pontus's elite are fairly underwhelming anyways so I'm not sure but I will allow it for hte time being.

@Vartan - How do you get to that?

[vartan]

EB Unit List

[Parallel Pain]

Is it too late to sign up?

And what's the upgrade rule?

And do we have to pick a faction and stick to it throughout tournament?

[antisocialmunky]

I'm allowing people to switch around now if they really have decent reason but I'm not going to be allowing very much of it. You can still sign up if you want.

The upgrade rule is that you can have no upgrades except 1 experience. Otherwise the game gets ridiculously imbalanced.

[Parallel Pain]

You know what? I'll be Saba. That way I'll get to laugh at myself when I loose on round 1

EDIT: On how are who vs who and rounds decided? One battle elimination? Best out of 3 elimination? Everyone play everyone else and winner decided by points? (DEF tournament was Heroic Victory 4 Clear Victory 3 Average Victory 2 Close Victory 1 Close Defeat 0 Average Defeat -1 Clear Defeat -2 Crushing Defeat -3)

[antisocialmunky]

You play people, report the battles by posting a replay in the replay thread then you get your wins and losses tallied.

Saba plays with no unit restricts but the standard 1 experience upgrade rule. So good luck.

[HunGeneral]

My internet connection has become very slow and unrelieably and it might take a while until it gets fixed. Therefore I have to retire from the tournament

Good luck to all participiants!

[antisocialmunky]

I'll jsut cross out your name.

Also, I added rules on reforms and steppe armies. You now have to announce before hand. IRL you would have been able to scout the type of army they have.

[Phalanx300]

Also Antisocialmunkey, I think that the Celtic and Germanic naked infantry can be counted as elite units, seeing their stats.

Another Germanic unit is the Wargozez which are those Wolf warriors, they are an elite unit as well but they were bands of Germanic mercenaries so I think its probably most Historical to keep seeing them as mercenaries.

[Parallel Pain]

Victory Conditions
-If your opponent has no cavalry and makes a phalangite box and you can surround it with your men. You win.

What if the opponent's cavalry has been destroyed, and the box is only like 40% phalanx, or very tough infantry unit like say roman marian legionaries or whatever. What if it's a rectangle? Basically what happens if one side looses all his cavalry and forms a partial-phalangite or non-phalangite box/circle/rectangle as not to expose any flanks. The other side has the box surrounded but has not enough melee power to take it down. But the side in square/circle/rectangle would not break formation. The result is one square/circle/rectangle which is surrounded and neither side are willing to attack
What happens then? (not that it has happened yet, though my game with Alsatia came close, so I just thought just we need to make that clear in case)
And what if the cavalry has not been destroyed, but is at the center of the formation unwilling to come out and both sides ranged troops has ran out of ammunition and still neither side are willing to move?


Also more importantly
We need to make a rule so that one person can only get a certain number of wins from another specific person. Like say 3. So if JinandJuice has already fought and beat me 3 times, he can't fight me anymore.
This rule is so that players (stare at Jin ) don't take advantage of the natural existence of weaker players and just keep fighting them to get wins.
I dont' really care what the number is, but there should be such a rule.

[JinandJuice]

Pain, I asked you specifically if you wanted a ranked match or not, without any pressure whatsoever. You said a variance of whatever/idc. I then asked you if you want to do "1 ranked?", and you said "sure". You had every right to deny my request, but you accepted, and now you appeal for a rule that I can no longer win against you, while you can still win against me?

Besides, I had told you the first time we played, that because you were saba and your willingness to lose, people are going to take advantage of you. You said a variance of I'm fine with that.

[Parallel Pain]

I was joking >.< (see ?)

And it was you who brought it up.

And like I said, I don't care about loosing the tournament. I care about people winning it unfairly. You said so too and told me to be careful.

[JinandJuice]

Oh.
My apologies for being rude, but I still believe that those who feel like they are being beaten should reject match proposals themselves rather than have the rules do it for them.

And yes, it was indeed I who brought it up. I also understand you don't care about losing, but if you care about how I am winning this unfairly, shouldn't you have rejected my match proposal then?

[Parallel Pain]

Na 3 is fine for me. We have a month after all. Even 5 or 6 is probably fine.

But if like ASM keep coming back and beating me 30 times then...

We should be careful not to have our stuff stolen. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a law against stealing.

[JinandJuice]

I think there are laws against stealing because IRL we cannot control whether someone steals from us or not. However, in this case, "thieves" must ask before they "steal", giving the "victims" permission to grant or deny the "theft". First of all, wouldn't the victim actually be an accomplice in the theft, making the victim guilty as well? Secondly, the system we currently have is more similar to pressing charges. We don't have a law where the plaintiff must press charges for assault, but instead they have the choice to not charge at all.

[Parallel Pain]

Well the tobacco/cigarette company did get sued and lost

But I just bring up the issue. Let's just let ASM decide on what to do. It's "his" tournament.

[antisocialmunky]

Eh, the I thought common sense would dictate that people who don't think they can win would stop playing the people that beat them for a while. Otherwise we just run out of people to play. Only about 5 other people are on when I am on so 15 games would be all that I would be able to play.

The bottom line is that if someone keeps beating you, you should really stop playing him... If more poeple ask though, I'll add of limit of ~5.

@Phalanx Box - The Phalangite Box is unfair because phalanxes are almost impossible to break from the front. If however, someone with other sorts of infantry wants to try it. That's fair since you can keep attacking at the same point over and over again and force the box to break.

I guess I should be more clear about what is a phalanx box. A Phalanx Box is a formation where more than 75% of it is made of phalangites or more than 270 degrees of the shape are defended by phalangites.

If you have any questions, post the replay or take a picture and we'll deal with it.

[vartan]

People who don't think they can win would stop playing the people that beat them for a while. Otherwise we just run out of people to play.

Exactly! Amen!

[option]

I'll sign up for this too if possible, using Epeiros.

EDIT: If someone could briefly explain to me the basics of Hamachi, I would be grateful. Also, where's the Epeirote love from the other tournament players?

[antisocialmunky]

Extensive Multiplayer Guide (by Tolg):

This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.

Make sure that you have a clean install of:
RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
EB 1.1
EB 1.2
The EB 1.2 Fixes
(Installed in this order)
Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet
Download Hamachi
Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
Now it gets tricky:
Cut your main internet connection.
Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
Reenable your Internet connection
return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
Don't forget to save the replay once you're done!

Read over all the rules, and when you're ready, reply and and I'll add you.

[antisocialmunky]

Okay, a few things:

-I added rules for Casse.
-I also want to open up debate into cavarly rules. Its my feeling that there is a little too much cavalry in the game and I was thinking about reducing the number of heavies down to 4 instead of 5. And instead making it so all general's bodyguards used for the general unit are free units that don't count towards any limits.

Any other ideas would be great also if oyu have them.

[Gabeed]

Unfortunately, I'm currently stuck with EB-BI, as I lent my regular Rome Total War CDs to a friend. So my part in this tournament shall be delayed until I recover the CDs.

[Jebivjetar]

Sign me in, man! Im playing Carthage!

Darius_d: you are not alone anymore!

[Fluvius Camillus]

Sign me in, man! Im playing Carthage!

Darius_d: you are not alone anymore!

Ah another one, is this one also willing to be destructed by the Basileus of the glorious Arche Seleukeia?

~Fluvius

[Jebivjetar]

Ah another one, is this one also willing to be destructed by the Basileus of the glorious Arche Seleukeia?

~Fluvius

[JinandJuice]

Fluvius, you have insulted me for the last time. I will make you pay for my humiliation...by switching to Arche Seleukeia as well. Farewell fellow Romans, for I find the Kataphractos more intriguing than the cohorts.

And to ASM: I'm not sure I understand. You're proposing that we be limited to 4 cavalry, but bodyguard is not considered cavalry per se. Hence, factions like Makedonia and Arche Seleukeia can still have 5 cavalry technically, the bodyguard just doesn't count as the fifth. Have you considered KH though? KH bodyguards are not cavalry, so KH will have a max of 4, not 5, cavalry. Is this what you're implying? If so, would this be fair?

[antisocialmunky]

Well there would be exceptions made for Sweboz and KH. To be honest, I jsut wanted to get rid of one heavy cavalry option for 2 HC/2Aux

[vartan]

Isn't there a 3 heavy cav limit anyways? There's no way of attaining 4 or 5 heavy cav. Those extra two slots are for horse archers/skirmishers and/or medium/light horse, right?

P.S. It's about time the General is unrestricted.

[antisocialmunky]

Not unless you're steppe. Which brings up 2 other points. I want to talk about allowing factions based in Asia 6 missiles because of historic army composition as well as increasing the infantry limit for steppe armies to 12 from 10 since its quite hard to buy 10 horses.

[naiveharry]

I will be playing EB tournament under the name "Hiero" with the faction Koinon Hellenon .
I am ready to play and on hamachi networks under the name admin-PC.