Hoplitai too weak ?

[Macilrille]

As I said, its merely an opinion, and individual opinions are worth nothing right? So now its time to kick some Watchman ass.



I said that since thats the usual reaction of people when seeing my name. And yeah everyone is baised, I gues you're baised for fish?



There aren't any sources which explain precisely, I´ve read the reason somewhere, it being that at the time it was way to obvious to explain such an thing since it was a part of life.

This reenacted Hoplites Phalanx shows very well how such a density would be, and in an pushing match you´re opponent would surely be not a meter apart trying to poke at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2XLKmWAXyk

No I am not, I am biased for Vikings, German tribesmen and Romans, but through mindset and years of learning I have become as objective as one can, being a professional historian. I hope this is evident in my posts to those with skill.

So you present no sources, but say "well everybody knew". Sorry that is no source at all, nor are those amateurs marching around. First of all they are amateurs (come on at least have plant-dyed clothes...), secondly nowhere do even they push enough that they get so close to their opponent. As I said, I have 16 years of experience of fighting and if you get locked so close to your enemy you die for you are defenceless. Especially if you wield a long weapon, the whole idea of a long weapon is to stay at a distance where you can reach your enemy. If you go close in your long spear is just a very long and unwieldy club. You can easily push with spear at a distance so even if those pushing matches happened and is not just a label for one side pushing the other back by stabbing them or putting them on the defensive, it can easily be done at distance.

And if the enemy is a legionaire with a Scutum and a Gladius Hispanensis you should be even more wary of getting in close for there he han stab you and you cannot stab him.

Again you fail to present sources for your statements, it is getting very close to where no serious student or practitioner of history can take you seriously. Try actually reading some history and see how professionals present their case, and learn from it. You have in fact agreed to do so when you installed EB.

I am sorry to be arrogant, but I am sort of fed up with people who continuously persist in unbacked claims even when asked for sources repeatedly, the net is full of them, but the EB forum should not be.

Maion and others with knowledge and sources, how are those "pushing matches" described in the ancient sources?