Thinking about EB v1.21

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

I open this topic for talking about the possibility that we make an uniform (and new) data folder for EB named EB 1.21.
This because I debate in EB II forum about possibility to enable in custom battle romani vs romani(only for custom and MP, not for campaign of course) .

In this we can change a bit of text files for have double romani in MP for all.
So everyone should have the same data files.
But this is possible only with helping of great EB team, because 1.21 release should be equal for anyone.

We can make roman playable with Ptolemaioi, coincident with historical war between Augustus and Marcus Antonius (only post marian units of course).
I know this is a bit change, but it can make more fun MP.

Without EB team approval this idea dead, because this would not be an unofficial project.

[Dafug3]

Why couldn't it be unofficial?

[bovi]

It would be an unofficial project (and I don't see why not). The EB team is busy with EB2.

[Exosus]

You really are all about the romani v romani aren't you lol

I think the problem is that most of the unofficial mods are a preferential issue. Things like Realistic Movement Mod or Alexander are very much something people choose based on opinion. Some will like them, some won't. Things like the Satrapies or my Emendator (oh yea I went there) are going to be mostly universal, but probably less than 10% of them fall into that category. The reason they are unofficial is because they are kind of pet projects.

What things were you thinking of, specifically?

[Tellos Athenaios]

I see your point about why you would want it to be official (as in: merged with the mainline mod) because you want to ensure that two current versions of EB 1.2 are both compatible with each other and include the alterations required.

But this needs not neccesarily be the case. First of all it requires basically cutting a faction from MP. Maybe OK for you, maybe not for others [it may be their favourite faction wich draws the short straw]. The obvious candidates (Hellenic factions because there are relatively many of them) are all subtly different in their faction line up, something which is more pronounced in MP.

Let me illustrate the point: an MP battle is, I'd say, about pitting two exciting and capable armies with a real human commander so there is a challenge for the human on either side and a little feast for the eye (pitting one standard and a bit dull army against another would take out quite a bit of fun, would it not?). And the exicting, feast for the eye stuff is where all those factions are quite different. AS and Makedonia do have a different roster. Ptolemaioi and AS aren't copycats (quite a different line up in the elite units there). Makedonia and Ptolemaioi aren't created equal. Epeiros and Makedonia are different from each other too. One would expect a player choosing Makedonia to field a distinctly different army from a player choosing any other Hellenic faction. It really would be like cutting a truly unique faction for the sake of introducing a boring clone faction.

Second of all, and this is much more important perhaps to you: the thechnical considerations are hollow. If you take the time to do design this mini mod properly you can easily see the rather obvious solution to `compatibility'. Be clear about what mini mod you have, specify it when you challenge opponents. That is what any MP player is used to, and should do, anyway. And on the part of the minimod creator: include a map.rwm file with your minimod. You may want to explicitly require people to have the trivial script installed, so they can automatically patch their game back and forth between whatever heavily modified single player set up they have and your own MP only minimod.

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

I see your point about why you would want it to be official (as in: merged with the mainline mod) because you want to ensure that two current versions of EB 1.2 are both compatible with each other and include the alterations required.

But this needs not neccesarily be the case. First of all it requires basically cutting a faction from MP. Maybe OK for you, maybe not for others [it may be their favourite faction wich draws the short straw]. The obvious candidates (Hellenic factions because there are relatively many of them) are all subtly different in their faction line up, something which is more pronounced in MP.

cutting a faction?
new skins?
no, i have not said this.

simply make playable for Ptolemaioli some postMarian units (how many? 5 or 6) also without cavalry and archers.

"It would be an unofficial project (and I don't see why not). The EB team is busy with EB2."

Nothing to say about that EB team is so busy... if they can t mean they can t
This is just my proposal for add, in my mind, something to game, without cut down nothing (or 5-6 mercenary units from Ptolemaioi list).

We talking about EB II... right, but unfortunately EB II come out in long time... and make a little change in EB is not a crime if it gives its something more without removing anything.

[Dafug3]

Wait, you're proposing to add Roman units to the Ptolomaic line-up and expecting it to be made official. This is definitely a mini-mod in that case.

[A Very Super Market]

Wouldn't it be better to simply give the Eleutheroi Roman units in EB multiplayer? Or are they not playable?

[DaciaJC]

Wouldn't it be better to simply give the Eleutheroi Roman units in EB multiplayer? Or are they not playable?

They are not playable.

[Dafug3]

I'm sure you can make Eleutheroi playable, because in normal RTW, in multiplayer you can enable the Rebels.