EB Online Tournement Battle Report Thread

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Well, I asked for tests. No one gave me anything. I was just frustrated because you have no idea how much work I've put in when I said that. The reason why it seems I've had something against you is that you never gave me any proof. I tested my ideas, they seemed to work well. You said you would test and didn't show me anything. I'm jsut pissed off I overlooked something this big. I thought Maks performed better than this at this test point. I'll admit when I'm wrong but I'm not going to do so without proof. If you have a complaint. Make it valid by proving your point rather than just pointing it out ad nauseum - it makes it sound like you're just complaining and no one likes that one person that keeps pointing something out and then acts smug when the plan goes to hell. If you're really commited to improving something, then you would put forht more effort to demonstrate your idea. Prove it, that's all I've asked for.

Well let this parting be amicable. Thanks and good luck.

I personally really understand you. Moreover its kind a impossible to make a 100 % fair balance, and even if one or two factions are stronger it shouldnt matter is, because its just a game...

But pls Antisocialmunky, dont ignore me the whol time xD Pls update the battle i posted ^^ And is my idea really so bad to make the roman infantery a bit more expensive ? Simply want answers if its crap i wanna know it !

[tsidneku]

I played two more matches with Flavius_Belisarius last night.
He has posted the last match already, a couple posts above. He was victorious in that one. ASM, please update the scores accordingly when you have a chance. It ought to be 3-1 for me, and 1-3 for Flavius. Thanks.

Game #3: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

This one was extraordinarily close. I snuck by with a victory with some effective cavalry charges to route his remaining forces. I think the victory was decided when his general fled from the battlefield.

[antisocialmunky]

Oh, that must have slipped in as I was posting the checkpoint. My bad. It is credited but tsidneku will have to post his win.(Edit, good - I'll update later today when I post the scoring checkpoint.

And yeah their heavy infantry is ridiculously cheap but time and time again, I have seen the Maks take 1 experience Roman armies from the last tournement at 40K just because 3 Companions and 2 Friends have a bad tendency of killing all the Roman Cav they can field and just having a field day with what's left of the infantry. It was quite even as the final tally showed(Maks won 1 more than the Romans :-p and I only beat Irish because of that ridiculous cav battle in the woods + phalanx exploit and I beat Gabheed because I managed to kill his general out of pure luck). I didn't realize that Maks had such a big problem fielding decent armies. I did some army composition testing last night after ACS posted that replay and yeah its a little tighter than for the other factions to say the least.

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea putting the money back at 40K for good. Everytime anyone's touched it, its turned out weird. I guess its best for the overall balance but not that great for the barb vs unbarb match up... except now they can do 2 vs 1 team games and such. Sigh oh well. I'll pop in for a few games tonight to see how the Romans can be limitted other than imposing Maion's artificial mnai limit that they can't use or something. Honestly I'm not sure. I'm not convinced that the massive ACS experienced infantry army is a Mak beating force at 40K though. Heck, I played an epic game against Maion using the the experienced legion and only won because a horde of Samnites trapped the cavalry in a corner. The Maks are quite powerful if they can get their horses.

@editted edu. - This would be ideal especially since the KH are mising 2 units but it would be quite messy telling people how to do the replacement with all the complaining etc...

[vartan]

So Jack why don't you go ahead and change back to 40k, remove the chevron, and limit heavy inf to 12 and 8 respectively?

[Maion Maroneios]

Heck, I played an epic game against Maion using the the experienced legion and only won because a horde of Samnites trapped the cavalry in a corner.

Remind me when that happened exactly?

Maion

[antisocialmunky]

I could have sworn it was you. Maybe it was someone else? I remember it was against on of the better Mak players that wasn't IrishHitman. But yeah, I formed a triangle with my legionaires that was surrounded by phalanxes on one side. I threw my Pedites into your Thracian Skirms and Hoplites. You then tried to out flank me. I let you and draw your cavalry behind my triangle. I then lobbed all my spearmen at you cavalry and we had a running cav battle into the corner. I then ran my cavalry the hell away behind your phalanx and started charging it.

Then your cav came back and we had a final cav fight. Your general routed and my men finally surrounded your forces for the win. It was very close and its fights like that why I think that a chevroned up Rome is balanced vs Macedon @ 40K. If the Companions had managed to get around my Samnites in force, it would have been game.

I'll change mnai back to 40K tonight :-\ I rather get a game as Maks in before I do at 40K against ACS(preferably) or someone else. They are pretty much invincible if they preserve their cavalry arm.

I'll post the replay tonight. I could have sworn it was you. I think we fought another time and you were complainng about Burebista always hiding his archers in the woods. That was like his one and only trick. :-p

[tsidneku]

I played a test game against ACS at 36k. We agreed that he wouldn't use any Chevron upgrades, but I was permitted to (with what little money I had, I upgraded one archer unit LOL). It was a close enough battle, I did lose but the possibility of a victory was not nigh impossible.

I'm not sure what will happen if you bump it up to 40k and keep the current unit restrictions. I think you will find a lot more Hellenic factions upgrading their phalangites from medium-tier ones to elites or just buying more expensive heavy cavalry (for those that couldn't afford it).

[Maion Maroneios]

I could have sworn it was you. Maybe it was someone else? I remember it was against on of the better Mak players that wasn't IrishHitman. But yeah, I formed a triangle with my legionaires that was surrounded by phalanxes on one side. I threw my Pedites into your Thracian Skirms and Hoplites. You then tried to out flank me. I let you and draw your cavalry behind my triangle. I then lobbed all my spearmen at you cavalry and we had a running cav battle into the corner. I then ran my cavalry the hell away behind your phalanx and started charging it.

Then your cav came back and we had a final cav fight. Your general routed and my men finally surrounded your forces for the win. It was very close and its fights like that why I think that a chevroned up Rome is balanced vs Macedon @ 40K. If the Companions had managed to get around my Samnites in force, it would have been game.

I'll change mnai back to 40K tonight :-\ I rather get a game as Maks in before I do at 40K against ACS(preferably) or someone else. They are pretty much invincible if they preserve their cavalry arm.

I'll post the replay tonight. I could have sworn it was you. I think we fought another time and you were complainng about Burebista always hiding his archers in the woods. That was like his one and only trick. :-p

Sorry, I really don't remember that. I remember trying to play you twice, but I still had that crappy Wireless connection whic resulted in the battles ending before any clash at all.

Oh well...

Maion

[_Agrippa_]

Hi to everybody, here is the battle between me and Maris..... , my legionaries have born less badly the wave of cavalry to the shoulders has been hard....but roma doesn't know obstacles:))

replay battle download : http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=6z1gkvnlxlb

[antisocialmunky]

Well, I played ACS's veteran Polybian Army with a 36K MAK-ATTACK army and here's the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f...4e75f6e8ebb871

It came down to the wire. Sheesh. I'm not convinced that the Maks are unplayable at 36K but they are rather tough. Its just very hard to find a good balance between their game winning cav arm and their infantry. I dunno, I'm not sure. Hopefully some of your guys can watch this and give some opinions on balancing the Maks.

Probably one of the toughest games I've ever played and wonderfully amazing to watch. GG ACS.

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Great and epic game ! Maybe mac isnt not unplayable at 36k but their at least tremendously hard to play.

[_Agrippa_]

what a Win!!!! a big battle all to be seen wow..., me against Alsatia.....

replay download : http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=5v9yycfn6qd

[Flavius_Belisarius]

This was a battle between me (Arche Seleukia) against Agrippa (Romani).
http://www.speedyshare.com/881321519.html

At the begin the seleucids advanced to the roman army. The left cavalry arm of the selecuids (hetairoi and persian heavy cavalry) and the rigth one (Horse Archers) surround the romans at their left and rigth back. The horse archers of the hellens opend their fire on some principes, hastati and extraordinarii. The first line of the roman infantery charged into the phalangnits of the seleucids, while the seleucid heavy cavalry took down the most of the roman cavalry. Also the horse archers of the greeks took down in melee some roman heavy cavalry. After the romans had lost their most cavalry the seleucids continued doing hammer and anvil strikes on the roman back. During the battle the rigth wing of the roman infantery tried to sourround the seleucid left wing, but they were caugthed by some kelto hellinko auxillary troops and finaly defeated by seleucid heavy cavalry. After the fall of this roman troops his general died and the battle was so almost over.

gg to Agrippa, it was a great game

[tsidneku]

I've fought two tournament battles versus Alsatia. I'd say he needed to approach me with more hoplites on the flanks to prevent to counter my cavalry.

Here are the replays: both battles were victories for me.

Game #1: Alsatia versus tsidneku - victory to tsidneku

Game #2: Alsatia versus tsidneku - victory to tsidneku

Just defeated my first Romani in the tournament, Agrippa. He went very infantry heavy in his army.. no ranged mercenaries at all.

Game #1: Agrippa versus tsidneku - victory to tsidneku

I played two games with ACS. One was a victory for me, the second was one for him.

Game #1: ACS vs tsidneku - victory to tsidneku

Game #2: ACS vs tsidneku - victory to ACS

[_Agrippa_]

battle #2 Agrippa versus Alsatia

replay download :http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d...4e75f6e8ebb871 Victory of Agrippa



nice battle Alsatia

[antisocialmunky]

CHECKPOINT

Victory Against Saba For Me :)
http://www.mediafire.com/?e0lnznml1zw

I consider the battle against darius_d a draw since he could have ran waway form me forever. GG btw.

(I've played like 4 games owning people as Macedon so that's why I only have 1 Baktria)

In case anyone cares, current factional rankings are:
Pontos: 7 - 2 = 5
Romani: 7 - 5 = 2
Baktria: 1 - 0 = 1
Carthage: 1 - 0 = 1
Hayasdan: 1 - 1 = 0
Vartan 1 - 1 = 0
Makedonia: 0 - 0 = 0
Sweboz: 0 - 0 = 0
Arche Seleukia: 2 - 3 = -1
Getai: 0 - 1 = -1
Saba 0 - 2 = -2
KH: 0 - 5 = -5

The Top 3 players are:
tsidneku 7 - 2 = 5
JinandJuice 2 - 0 = 2
Antisocialmunky AND darius_d 1 - 0 =1

Tsidneku and Pontos are running aware with the game lol.

[JinandJuice]

I had forgotten to upload this one.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ydit1tzjkzd
I won against Parallel Pain again.

BTW, how do we count the top 3? most wins or most kill/death ratio?

[darius_d]

I consider the battle against darius_d a draw since he could have ran waway form me forever. GG btw.

Hello everybody.

Thanks ASM, you are a kind guy, but indeed that was a legit win for Baktria:
Baktria 1:0 Qarthadastim.

This was a 2nd full battle for Qarthadastim and so the first defeat for my heros.
Mighty baktrian hetairoi once more decided it all in the end.

What was unusual it was the lenght of the battle - it lasted really long. So how did that happen?

Baktria appeared with standard (not steppe) formation: line of levy phalanx was supported by 3 decent infantry and 2 elite brutal indian guild warriors, plus 4 scythian archers and finally by 5 cavalry units, including 2 units of famous baktrian hetairoi.

Qartadastim army was more or less prepared for that, sending in first line decent libyan heavy spearmen to keep the phalanx busy and the best iberian troops on wings to kill off baktrian supporting infantry and hopefully strong enough to repel expected cavalry charges. Additionally, punic and iberian cavalry was sent for their support. Finally some archers to counter opponent's archers. However not everything went according to the plan.

After some archers' volleys the real battle started: baktrian phalanx attacked my first line of heavy spearmen, so I concentrated my remaining infantry on my left wing (right baktrian wing) where hand combat started. Soon some phalanx units also went to hand-to-hand combat with my spearmen.

Both cavalries had some troubles to do clean and devastating charges, but eventually, after this violent beginning, when some dust dispersed, Qartadastim was left with a few infantry units and its cavalry lost, and Baktria with some reduced but still powerful cavalry squad and few phalanx units.

From this moment on tactical manouver games started - Cartaginians tried to tire off baktian infantry by marching (baktrians were exhausted and was vulnerable to get broken when assaulted) and attack the cavalry when they are alone.
Baktrians tried to engage in fight only with cavalry and infantry sent together - the situation which my infantry was trying to avoid. When my infantry was attacking the cavalry alone, they were escaping the engagement.
So thats' why my troops could walk around the map for a long time just followed by Baktrians and clashes were minor. Undoubtly, fun-killing situation but we both were too proud to admit unacceptable result of battle.

This is the replay but be warned that you do better to watch let's say "Gladiator" movie in that time - far more interesting.
http://www.mediafire.com/?32jmwymzjmh

[Fluvius Camillus]

[...]

Arche Seleukia: 2/3
HunGeneral* 0/0
Fluvius Camillus 0/0
Kniva 0/0
Flavius_Belisarius 2/3

Pontos: 7/2
tsidneku 7/2
Apázlinemjó 0/0

[...]

I bring you two matches today! Links to the replays are in the titles, in case people don't notice.

Game #1: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

This was a pretty epic battle. Despite our starting points, we arranged it so that we could meet at the top of the hill for a relatively level ground battle. Flavius' archers/slingers tore through half of one of my heavy cavalry before I realized it before the engagement. Pontos won the battle after its horse archers slung around the rear to bring down the Makedonian aux troops and cavalry.

Game #2: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

We chose Grass Flatlands this time so it would be completely level. Neither of us minded that there was no flora, we were both Hellenic based factions so surprise didn't matter as much. I busted out the Galatikoi Tindanotai this round. I was surprised to find that Flavius only fielded 6 phalangite units, it was backed with 4 slinger units to try to counter my cavalry. A double-sided flank turned into a heated battle on all three fronts. Eventually, Pontos broke through the flanks and routed a good number of his troops. However, he seemed to have clobbered my phalangite line. I have no clue how that happened -- any commentary/explanation is greatly appreciated. I was worried that I had blundered and lost this one when I realized my phalanx line was dead, but I managed to pull a victory out of the bag.

After the two great battles i had with tsidenku we played two more. One of that i lost again, but i dont have the replay. Pls post it tsidenku :)
But i have the replay of the last one, which was my first i won

http://www.speedyshare.com/906761542.html

I was Macedonia like always and he pontus. This time i decided to put my general in a reformate Pezhetairoi because in my opinion the macedon heavy cavalry isnt their price worth, maybe im just too noobish, but im quite sure that the hetairoi and the Hippeis Thessalonkia are way to expensvive. With the phalanx advantage i won the phalanx fight very fast, and instead of using expensive cavalry i spent money on hoplitais to defend the back of my phalanx. He permantly shot with his cretan archers in the back of my phalanx and my hoplits which was very leathly. Great game again! Im very glad that i won at least one time. :)

Edit.: Im quite new here but could it be that the roman infantery is way to cheap? Even the levied units of macedonia are more expensive than principes which are quite strong. And the extraordinarii cavalry seems to be equal strong as the macedonian hetairoi altough the hehtairoi are much more expensive.

I think there has been a severe misunderstanding regarding the AS scoreboard!

~Fluvius

BTW: JinandJuice, are you somehow plotting my downfall with your fellow romans?

[antisocialmunky]

He switched. I guess I'm giving everyone one switch until the end of the next week.

BTW- I'm updating the scoreboard when this gets to page 4 or it turns Sunday.

[JinandJuice]

I told ACS to watch out for you, Flavius, while Vartan nagging for him to go Imperial. I told him to stop trolling and stay Camillian. I don't know who ACS listened to ultimately, but I knew the Romans had almost no chance of winning.

[spqrtitus]

Hi i would like to join the tournament. for now as the macedons. in hamachi im antigonos. thx

[Sir Karati]

Sir Karati (Makedonia) Vs. Agrippa (SPQR)
Hi men, i'm a new player e today i did my first battle with the makedonia's team. This is the replay:

http://www.filefront.com/14119815/31MacVsRomV.rpy

I played against agrippa, a good player but at the end i won the battle... So this is the firsth point for the makedonians

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

My battle against sir karati (makedonia):

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198.../sirkarati.rpy

my imperial legion has very good horsemen in its sides... the battle was decided after i ve crushed the enemy wings. I won against those alexander s sons.
Thank you for battle sir.


My score:

tsidneku(pontos), darius(chartage) x 2, hiero(KH) x 2, parallel pain(sabean),
gabeed(casse), french-legionary(AS) x 2, jinandjuice(AS), sir karati(makedonia)

11

tsidneku(pontos), fluvius camillus(AS) x 2, antisocialmunky(saka), jinandjuice(AS)

5

[spqrtitus]

Hi,
battle: Antigonos (Macedon) vs vartan (Hayasdan)
winner: antigonos

replay:
http://rapidshare.de/files/47953928/...artan.rpy.html


thx for battle

[Sir Karati]

My battle against sir karati (makedonia):

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198.../sirkarati.rpy

my imperial legion has very good horsemen in its sides... the battle was decided after i ve crushed the enemy wings. I won against those alexander s sons.
Thank you for battle sir.

It was a very hard battle for me. The Cavalry decide the winner at the end... But i want the revange eh eh