EB Online Tournement Battle Report Thread

[darius_d]

I consider the battle against darius_d a draw since he could have ran waway form me forever. GG btw.

Hello everybody.

Thanks ASM, you are a kind guy, but indeed that was a legit win for Baktria:
Baktria 1:0 Qarthadastim.

This was a 2nd full battle for Qarthadastim and so the first defeat for my heros.
Mighty baktrian hetairoi once more decided it all in the end.

What was unusual it was the lenght of the battle - it lasted really long. So how did that happen?

Baktria appeared with standard (not steppe) formation: line of levy phalanx was supported by 3 decent infantry and 2 elite brutal indian guild warriors, plus 4 scythian archers and finally by 5 cavalry units, including 2 units of famous baktrian hetairoi.

Qartadastim army was more or less prepared for that, sending in first line decent libyan heavy spearmen to keep the phalanx busy and the best iberian troops on wings to kill off baktrian supporting infantry and hopefully strong enough to repel expected cavalry charges. Additionally, punic and iberian cavalry was sent for their support. Finally some archers to counter opponent's archers. However not everything went according to the plan.

After some archers' volleys the real battle started: baktrian phalanx attacked my first line of heavy spearmen, so I concentrated my remaining infantry on my left wing (right baktrian wing) where hand combat started. Soon some phalanx units also went to hand-to-hand combat with my spearmen.

Both cavalries had some troubles to do clean and devastating charges, but eventually, after this violent beginning, when some dust dispersed, Qartadastim was left with a few infantry units and its cavalry lost, and Baktria with some reduced but still powerful cavalry squad and few phalanx units.

From this moment on tactical manouver games started - Cartaginians tried to tire off baktian infantry by marching (baktrians were exhausted and was vulnerable to get broken when assaulted) and attack the cavalry when they are alone.
Baktrians tried to engage in fight only with cavalry and infantry sent together - the situation which my infantry was trying to avoid. When my infantry was attacking the cavalry alone, they were escaping the engagement.
So thats' why my troops could walk around the map for a long time just followed by Baktrians and clashes were minor. Undoubtly, fun-killing situation but we both were too proud to admit unacceptable result of battle.

This is the replay but be warned that you do better to watch let's say "Gladiator" movie in that time - far more interesting.
http://www.mediafire.com/?32jmwymzjmh

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

battle 2: ACS vs Parallel Pain http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198535387/2touney.rpy

This is my battle against parallel pain, he is very good, but his faction give him no chance.

However GOOD GAME

[JinandJuice]

Won a battle against tsidneku.
http://www.mediafire.com/?oolujkyryro
EDIT: I just watched the replay, and I honestly have to say that that was one of the most spectacular battles I've played. tsidneku's maneuver abilities with his cavalry are truly impressive. We both concentrated on small portions of the battle and left out a lot of things we could have otherwise exploited with our infantry. We also had archers shooting our own cavalry as well as the enemy's during the cavalry face-off on tsidneku's right flank. I have to say that I honestly had no idea how I won the cavalry charge.

Also had the 3rd win against Parallel Pain the other day, before he decided that he was getting his bowels ripped apart .
http://www.mediafire.com/?ngezhond0ul

[antisocialmunky]

Not to rain on your parade but Ligurian untis are classified as Pre-Marian Italian units. I'm not going to do anything since they are fairly similar to the Auxillary Cavalry that they get later. Even if tsidneku complained I don't think it would have mattered in the end since he barrelled into those archers, got swamped etc.

[vartan]

...since he barrelled into those archers...

It's actually barrel roll. Trust me, I looked it up!

[JinandJuice]

Ah, indeed I was gloating. It seems my emotions have gotten the better of me. I will edit my previous post to prevent any malicious feelings.

[darius_d]

And again the sun has shined for the mighty Carthaginians!
Actually, the Iberians made most of bloody job, but well.

The 3rd battle brought victory again over Romani (Polybians) - this time under legatus Spiritus Dilutus
This was a tough battle for Qarthadastim, and indeed the result could appear opposite.

this is the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jzezmtjh1md

The battle started calmly to become bloody violent in the end.
The armies slowly approached each other with Carthaginians preventively marching in wide formation to avoid excess losses from Kretikoi Toxotai.
Then all units made sure to threw their missiles and only after that all-out combat began.

While infantry fought fiercely both cavalries happened to appear on the backs of their opponent.
Punic and Iberian units made quite pathetic beginning before they started to threaten roman line, and equites romani managed to launch several charges in that time.
Some hardened iberians troops broke and this appeared as critical moment for the battle.

However, the rest of infantry did well on their side, equites romani were neutralized, and cavalry finally cleared their way for charges, and that way the victory was assured.

GG, Spirtus Dilutus.

[Gabeed]

I'm glad to see that multiplayer still thrives here (I was gone for a month)!

[tsidneku]

Gabeed! Quick, come back and smite these Romani into the ground!

[antisocialmunky]

You should play a factio nthath as no players right now.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ixdyozywgnt/BaktriaKH.rpy

BTW- Victory vs KH

[Gabeed]

So be it. Time for the Casse to intervene here (no one's playing them, right?). Are you all still playing 1.2, all fixes, no BI?

Edit: My Ptolies aren't taken yet, it seems.

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

This is my installation way: RTW+BI+BI1.6+alex+EB ; it work very well and i play without problem also with who has RTW 1.5.
This because i think that BI1.6 (like alex) update rome at 1.5.

[Gabeed]

This is my installation way: RTW+BI+BI1.6+alex+EB

Hmm, that's what I have except for the Alexander expansion. So do you use the EB for BI exe and the BI disc or do you pop a regular Rome CD in?

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Hmm, that's what I have except for the Alexander expansion. So do you use the EB for BI exe and the BI disc or do you pop a regular Rome CD in?

no, use EB in rome.exe directory
alexander and BI is only for upgrade rome at 1.5 vesion... but it work also with 1.3+1.5 patch.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Greetings competitors!

I fougth four tournament battles this evening, against four different people.

As known, I play the mighty Arche Seleukeia!

Fluvius Camillus vs daruis_d
We agreed to fight type3 match, to come at each other.
It resulted in a victory for the Arche Seleukeia over the Qarthadasthim.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmutyq0w4md

Fluvius Camillus vs Agrippa
We agreed to fight a type3 match, where we attack each other.
It resulted in a victory for the Arche Seleukeia over the Romani.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?lnmzmhnyzge

Fluvius Camillus vs JinandJuice
I fought two battles vs JinandJuice, which were extremely hard for me, still I won both times. These two really are recommended to watch, epic battles in their fullest!

In battle one, I was to attack the Romani legions of JinandJuice. I barely won this fight.

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?k1vmtjmzmfg

In the second battle, we switched, the Romani legions attacked me. After an incredibly hard fight, I won again!

Replay here
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmemzdyzeht

Looking forward to more challenges!!!

In short:
Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - darius_d (Qarthadast) 1-0

Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - Agrippa (Romani) 1-0

Fluvius Camillus (Arche Seleukeia) - JinandJuice (Romani) 2-0

That was all..

~Fluvius

[darius_d]

This is truly a grim day for Qarthadastim, as two losses happened today:

First one against Romani (Imperial) by Jinand Juice,
The second against Hellens - mighty Arche Seleukeia led by Fluvius Camillus.

The battle against Romani is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ytzbtz2qnjz

JJ skillfully took full advantage of numerical superiority of his cavalry so his charges proved to be decisive.
My cavalry was out-manouvered too often, besides infantry on my wings it seems was set too wide to deal with cavalry attacks from the back.

The batte against AS is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?m2rtmzw2rwo

This one was quite humiliating defeat.
Qarthadastim - consequently faithful to traditional infantry warfare, avoiding phalanx style - faced this time phalanx-based army. What was impressive, AS fielded just 17 units but full of elites in every line: phalanx, supporting infantry, and cavalry (edit: except archers).

In this battle everything went wrong for Qarthadastim as much as possible. First, its formation totally messed up just before sending to fight, which prompted further problems.
Then, attack of iberian infantry on elitarian troops of right AS wing wasnt done well, some units were standing unused.
On opposite wing uncoordinated properly infantry soon was a prey for hetairoi and cataphracts.
Finally, cavalry was running around the map behind one cataphract unit and couldnt catch it, leaving infantry undefended.
Too many errors in one battle.

Congrats for JJ and Fluvius.

[JinandJuice]

Won a battle against ASM
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n5yozmmmmig

@Darius and Fluvius: great games! I really hope to play with you guys again sometime.

[Fluvius Camillus]

And Fluvius strikes again!

This time, the Arche Seleukeia defeated the Romani (ACS - Aulus Caecina Severus) in a fight.

This was a tournament battle where the Arche Seleukeia took the defensive position, the Romani attacked. The Romans well, but after a hard fight, the Seleukid Strategos took victory.

Arche Seleukeia (Fluvius Camillus) - Senatus Populusque Romanus (Aulus Caecina Severus 1-0

Replay can be found here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tymukyqytid

Looking forward to more challengers, as always...

~Fluvius

[JinandJuice]

Dang it ACS, I told you.

[Fluvius Camillus]

[...]

Arche Seleukia: 2/3
HunGeneral* 0/0
Fluvius Camillus 0/0
Kniva 0/0
Flavius_Belisarius 2/3

Pontos: 7/2
tsidneku 7/2
Apázlinemjó 0/0

[...]

I bring you two matches today! Links to the replays are in the titles, in case people don't notice.

Game #1: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

This was a pretty epic battle. Despite our starting points, we arranged it so that we could meet at the top of the hill for a relatively level ground battle. Flavius' archers/slingers tore through half of one of my heavy cavalry before I realized it before the engagement. Pontos won the battle after its horse archers slung around the rear to bring down the Makedonian aux troops and cavalry.

Game #2: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

We chose Grass Flatlands this time so it would be completely level. Neither of us minded that there was no flora, we were both Hellenic based factions so surprise didn't matter as much. I busted out the Galatikoi Tindanotai this round. I was surprised to find that Flavius only fielded 6 phalangite units, it was backed with 4 slinger units to try to counter my cavalry. A double-sided flank turned into a heated battle on all three fronts. Eventually, Pontos broke through the flanks and routed a good number of his troops. However, he seemed to have clobbered my phalangite line. I have no clue how that happened -- any commentary/explanation is greatly appreciated. I was worried that I had blundered and lost this one when I realized my phalanx line was dead, but I managed to pull a victory out of the bag.

After the two great battles i had with tsidenku we played two more. One of that i lost again, but i dont have the replay. Pls post it tsidenku :)
But i have the replay of the last one, which was my first i won

http://www.speedyshare.com/906761542.html

I was Macedonia like always and he pontus. This time i decided to put my general in a reformate Pezhetairoi because in my opinion the macedon heavy cavalry isnt their price worth, maybe im just too noobish, but im quite sure that the hetairoi and the Hippeis Thessalonkia are way to expensvive. With the phalanx advantage i won the phalanx fight very fast, and instead of using expensive cavalry i spent money on hoplitais to defend the back of my phalanx. He permantly shot with his cretan archers in the back of my phalanx and my hoplits which was very leathly. Great game again! Im very glad that i won at least one time. :)

Edit.: Im quite new here but could it be that the roman infantery is way to cheap? Even the levied units of macedonia are more expensive than principes which are quite strong. And the extraordinarii cavalry seems to be equal strong as the macedonian hetairoi altough the hehtairoi are much more expensive.

I think there has been a severe misunderstanding regarding the AS scoreboard!

~Fluvius

BTW: JinandJuice, are you somehow plotting my downfall with your fellow romans?

[antisocialmunky]

He switched. I guess I'm giving everyone one switch until the end of the next week.

BTW- I'm updating the scoreboard when this gets to page 4 or it turns Sunday.

[JinandJuice]

I told ACS to watch out for you, Flavius, while Vartan nagging for him to go Imperial. I told him to stop trolling and stay Camillian. I don't know who ACS listened to ultimately, but I knew the Romans had almost no chance of winning.

[vartan]

Romans ALWAYS have a chance of winning. And if ACS didn't go Camillian, I don't know what to say. He must have gotten Cav-ram-up-the-arse. Still, the Cav charges aren't as effective in the RTW engine as they would be IRL, so I guess this is a Clear Defeat for Rome!

[JinandJuice]

See, you're trolling again! XD

[antisocialmunky]

Cav charges aren't as effective in the RTW engine as they would be IRL, so I guess this is a Clear Defeat for Rome!

They are too effective in the engine.

[vartan]

See, you're trolling again! XD

Lol stfu Mark.

They are too effective in the engine.

And no, they don't rout units in the rear or flanks as quickly as they should. They should be able to rout enemy units, roll up the line, much quicker than the turtle-speed at which they do it now.

[Phalanx300]

CA thought the same and you'll end up with Vanilla cavalry charges where cavalry only wins the day.

[vartan]

The only thing that was realistic time-wise was the cavalry charges from rear in Vanilla. EB drops this down more than a few notches, for the sake of increasing battle time length. Worth it? I don't know.

[Phalanx300]

For the sake of realism, Vanilla was way to unrealistic with almost everything.

Battles were never over in minutes, wasn't weird for a battle to last an hour, or maybe thats just for Hoplite combat.

[vartan]

Hoplite combat didn't last for very long either according to what I've read. Point is, Cavalry doesn't rout enemy as fast as it would.