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    Wandering Metsuke Senior Member Zim's Avatar
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    Welcome Braden. I have just sent a pm to Mini to see if he is still playing Henri. If I don't hear a response soon you're welcome to take him. Otherwise I can get an RGB recruited for you whenever you'd like, or you can wait for some other fm to come of age (might be a while, though).

    Edit: I'd be happy to put up a poll for that rule change Vladimir suggested. We're tied for the largest faction in the game (or did we pass the ERE the past couple turns?) so we should be well able to recruit armies without needing more than one or two RGBs in them.
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    Looking at the rules, it doesn't seem as if Rule Changes needed to be seconded, only Edicts and Amendments. But Zim might know better. In previous games OOC rule changes required seconds if I remember correctly.

    The rules:

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    4. - Government

    (a) - Sessions: The Council of the Realm (Conseil du Royaume) will meet in a Normal Session every 10 turns. Out of session, there can be open debate and deliberations. Each Normal and Emergency Session consists of 3 real time days of debate, followed by 2 real time days of voting. Zim or anyone delegated by him can change the length of individual sessions at will.

    (b) - Proposing Legislation: During each session, Nobles may propose Edicts and Amendments, up to the limit allowed by their rank. Edicts and Amendments must be seconded by two other Nobles before they can be put to the vote.

    (c) - Edicts: Edicts require a simple majority of weighted votes to pass and remain in effect until the next normal session of the Council. Tied Edicts fail. If contradictory Edicts are passed, the one with the most votes takes priority. Edicts can only be enforced by IC means. Edicts cannot contradict the Game Rules.

    (d) - Codex Amendments: Amendments require a two-thirds majority of weighted votes to pass and remain in effect permanently, or until repealed by another Codex Amendment. Codex Amendments can only be enforced by IC means. Codex Amendments cannot contradict the Game Rules.

    (e) - Rule Changes: Rule Changes require a two-thirds majority of unweighted votes (1 vote per player) to pass. Rule Changes can permanently change the Game Rules. Any player can propose Rule Changes, regardless of IC rank. Zim can veto any proposed Rule Change, but does not vote. Game Rules are enforced by IC or OOC means, as Zim sees fit.
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    It doesn't even say that they have to be proposed during Council Sessions, although that is the obvious place for them. I think we should just put them up here in the OOC thread, so that the IC interaction in the Council isn't interrupted by OOC discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zim View Post
    Welcome Braden. I have just sent a pm to Mini to see if he is still playing Henri. If I don't hear a response soon you're welcome to take him. Otherwise I can get an RGB recruited for you whenever you'd like, or you can wait for some other fm to come of age (might be a while, though).

    Edit: I'd be happy to put up a poll for that rule change Vladimir suggested. We're tied for the largest faction in the game (or did we pass the ERE the past couple turns?) so we should be well able to recruit armies without needing more than one or two RGBs in them.
    Thanks! I'm nearly ready for this mod now, tested my skills as the difficulty settings...just need to work out how to install the KotF mini-mod and to check that the personal mods (removing green triangles, big flags etc) won't conflict and I'm good to go!

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    Any info on these two matters (installing the mini-mod KotF and the missing line from my preferences) would be most welcome by PM.

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    That "show_banners = 1" line is in the [video] section of the .cfg file.

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    Hey guys (and princess :flirt: ). I PM'd Zim a couple questions and he suggested I post it here. What do you think about generating small rebel stacks and IC traits for RL events?

    I try to take Gontran out for walks every now and again to avoid the negative traits gained from sitting around. Since we have a large number of bodyguard units, does anyone object to the creation of small rebel stacks so generals can avoid the same thing?

    Or

    What about IC traits for RL actions? TinCow is going to Rome for a while, so maybe his character should get a pilgrim to Rome trait. I'm going to play soldier for a couple weeks and would like my character to gain a minor military trait. Other characters can do the same. It would require that the player be away from the game from a week or two due to extenuating circumstances.

    Or, the bonus

    IC traits for IC actions. A lot of characters like to drink, so maybe they should get one of the "Gets Merry" traits. If they exhibit more of the same behavior, they should continue down the line. This would also improve the, um, motivation for some wacky IC fun.

    Me, I'm enjoying a few beers on an empty stomach because aLCOHol will be verboten for most of September. :barrell:

    What say you?


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    My preference is to play the game as it is, otherwise there is a danger we turn from playing the AI to trying to "play" the GM to get good stuff for our characters. I don't see any basis for basing IC traits on RL actions. I can see traits for IC actions being ok - the swift to judge for Gaetan being a good example - but again would like to see them used rather sparingly. Unexpected rewards for startingly role-playing as opposed to things we script our role-playing to attain. I remember being infuriated by the high spawn of rebels in solo play of RTW, so presumably we should see some crop up naturally in game.

    All that said, I would not be opposed to a more major GM created event. We were promised no more than one per 10 turns, so I figure we may see one within the next session unless things go pear shaped on their own.

    I do sympathise with a governor's life potentially being dull - maybe some kind of rotation of duty could be organised? That's what I would like to see in the Order, if we ever get the numbers to carry it out. Or you could try to mix things up - holding a tournament in your town for example. I seem to remember some RL discussion about crusades being used as an outlet to rid of unemployed troublesome warriors - the idea is starting to look relevant to our game, IMO. It should not be long before a proper in-game crusade is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverKnight View Post
    Hugues stands with a prepared speech.

    If the King quotes me, it is only fair that I quote his Majesty.

    10 seasons ago the King addressed the Conseil concerning the English and war:

    Seven years later, we were at war, declared by the King, not against the English, but the Germans. I guess we were ready for a war with the Empire, but not England. The King also said:

    Would leaving the governing of the realm in the hands of others include declaring war against the Empire? Trying to cajole and then threaten the standing Seneschal into making an alliance with our sworn enemy? Or pressuring him into taking Caernarvon and Dublin, only to cast him aside when he failed to do exactly what his Majesty demanded of him? Why weren't any of these matters brought to the Conseil when it was in Session or after?

    Having failed to govern the realm through an unwilling proxy and behind the back of the Conseil, the cycle begins again, yet this time dispensing with the proxy. We have an edict, 2.4, authorizing negotiations, but no specifics, no mention of an Alliance. In fact I doubt the King would even give us these crumbs without prodding. The Conseil has not been consulted on an offer of an Alliance. We have not been given the exact terms for the negotiations. Nor have we been asked about whether an Alliance with England, our old enemy, is wanted or advisable.

    This election is about whether this Conseil is simply a rubber stamp or not. And if the Seneschal, the elected represenative of the Conseil, is only a Clerk or not. Are the Nobles of France to have any say in the affairs of the Kingdom? Do you want an independent Seneschal, or not one at all?

    I ask for your vote, I ask for the Conseil to stand up for its rights, I ask you to take what is yours.

    I also propose:

    Edict 2.9: An alliance with England is authorized.

    and

    Edict 2.10: An alliance with England shall not be authorized, negotiated or accepted.

    Our voice will be heard.

    Not touching that.....

    King might not like his authority questioned.... who is going to be brave and second it?
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    Hey, c'mon post, that's half the fun.

    Much more inflammatory things have been said in a Senate/Diet/Magnaura session.

    Edit: I might post my favorite "Speaking Truth to Power or Volunteering for Watchtower Duty" links later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21 View Post
    My preference is to play the game as it is, otherwise there is a danger we turn from playing the AI to trying to "play" the GM to get good stuff for our characters. I don't see any basis for basing IC traits on RL actions. I can see traits for IC actions being ok - the swift to judge for Gaetan being a good example - but again would like to see them used rather sparingly. Unexpected rewards for startingly role-playing as opposed to things we script our role-playing to attain. I remember being infuriated by the high spawn of rebels in solo play of RTW, so presumably we should see some crop up naturally in game.

    All that said, I would not be opposed to a more major GM created event. We were promised no more than one per 10 turns, so I figure we may see one within the next session unless things go pear shaped on their own.

    I do sympathise with a governor's life potentially being dull - maybe some kind of rotation of duty could be organised? That's what I would like to see in the Order, if we ever get the numbers to carry it out. Or you could try to mix things up - holding a tournament in your town for example. I seem to remember some RL discussion about crusades being used as an outlet to rid of unemployed troublesome warriors - the idea is starting to look relevant to our game, IMO. It should not be long before a proper in-game crusade is a possibility.
    If you're looking for precedent I suggest we establish one. Playing the GM, playing Total War, playing KotF; it's all in the fun. We're already allowing out of game events in the counsel to affect in-game actions. Let some players who cannot actively participate in the game feel like they are still part of it.


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    Some of my favorites, but certainly not all inclusive.

    A selection of telling off the Monarch:

    Dietrich vs. Heinrich

    Mandorf vs. Heinrich

    Arnold vs. Siegfried et al

    Peter vs. Elberhard

    Matthias vs. Elberhard

    Republicans vs. Royalists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    If you're looking for precedent I suggest we establish one. Playing the GM, playing Total War, playing KotF; it's all in the fun. We're already allowing out of game events in the counsel to affect in-game actions. Let some players who cannot actively participate in the game feel like they are still part of it.
    I agree with econ. Traits make up what a person is. Adding them takes away the roleplaying potential.

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