KOTF OOC Thread

**OverKnight** · 09-17-2009, 11:30

4 hours, give or take. Fortunately it's my day off.

First turn of a term usually takes the longest because you have to take stock of the situation and formulate a plan. This turn will take a while for me as well, because I'll be reviewing the SOT and Edicts, implementing recruitment and builds and juggling a lot of correspondence.

**Ituralde** · 09-17-2009, 11:42

Originally Posted by OverKnight

4 hours, give or take. Fortunately it's my day off.

First turn of a term usually takes the longest because you have to take stock of the situation and formulate a plan. This turn will take a while for me as well, because I'll be reviewing the SOT and Edicts, implementing recruitment and builds and juggling a lot of correspondence.

Ah.. the fun of being the Chancell.. ew.. Megas Logo.. Seneshal, Seneshal I mean!

**AussieGiant** · 09-17-2009, 11:54

Originally Posted by OverKnight

4 hours, give or take. Fortunately it's my day off.

First turn of a term usually takes the longest because you have to take stock of the situation and formulate a plan. This turn will take a while for me as well, because I'll be reviewing the SOT and Edicts, implementing recruitment and builds and juggling a lot of correspondence.

Thank god you said that. I feel a bit better.

After I got into the rythm it went down to about 2 hours or so.

**_Tristan_** · 09-17-2009, 13:27

How do we deal with the fact that the army in Frankfurt was the King's one but should now belong to whoever has been granted that settlement ?

**Ituralde** · 09-17-2009, 13:44

In Character.

I can't remember how we handled it in the other games but there never was a provision for retaining ownership of armies once you enter the city/caste of another noble. Since you are helping in the defense of the city though there should be little problem. If I remember it most SoTs would only state that a certain amount of units had to be kept as minimum garrison. So no problem there. If someone's SoT specifically stated that no units may leave. Well, you didn't enter the city in the first place then. And if he needed help defending the city he'd better change his SoT first.

Hope that answers any questions you have about it.

Edit: So in essence I'm saying that the King's army could now belong to the new owner of Frankfurt. If he wants it he can have it. Of course the King could be very unhappy about that.

**_Tristan_** · 09-17-2009, 13:58

Yes but the city was in the King's demesne at the time of the army going in, and was granted only afterwards, so any opinions ?

**KnightnDay** · 09-17-2009, 14:18

I don't think it's practical to figure out troop ownership based on when troops went in and out and when city posession changed. They could hang around indefinitely and since in the meantime new troops can be raised and we can't tag ownership, etc, should belong to the city owner. That said, Frankfurt is mine now, and IC Thomas would not lay claim to any troops fighting with the kings avatar.

I will update my SOT appropriately so there is no restrction of their use.

**Ituralde** · 09-17-2009, 14:32

Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Yes but the city was in the King's demesne at the time of the army going in, and was granted only afterwards, so any opinions ?

I'd say in future you sould watch out who you gift provinces to. If you are afraid that the new owner won't let your army out again, I am sure you can make arrangements beforehand. Or better yet not give the province at all.

So my oppinion would be that for the sake of easy OOC rules the OOC rules would always be on the side of the province owner. So even if you made an arrangement he can never be forced OOC to do as he promised. The whole thing would turn into an IC matter. Why give land to people you don't trust? And if they seem trustworthy and then backstab you. Well, all the more interesting if you ask me.

I know that these kind of questions have always been raised in regards to Army ownership. Through roleplay it would often be obvious that certain troops are loyal to their King, Duke, or whatever and would not react kindly to their leader being disposed. In order to have clear OOC rules though it's very difficult to implement these kind of things without making it overly complicated.

So I'd stick with the rules we have and figure the rest out IC. I am sure many things can be arranged OOC with both sides (e.g. the two players involved agreeing that some 'veteran' troops will refuse to be taken over in this matter). After all we're playing this together OOC even if we fight each other IC.

**AussieGiant** · 09-17-2009, 14:43

The rules are set, interpret them anyway you wish. Just beware of the consequences. There is no reference to "timing" in the ownership rules, therefore the situation in-game is what needs to be looked at.

Based on that let IC solutions and negotiations resolve the issue.

**OverKnight** · 09-17-2009, 20:13

Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Yes but the city was in the King's demesne at the time of the army going in, and was granted only afterwards, so any opinions ?

Technically, Thomas might have had a claim. But it would have been insanely stupid to try to do so. It sounds like a solution has been reached.

**Ramses II CP** · 09-17-2009, 20:52

Okay, I'm organizing my replies like marshalling troops! I have to get back to YLC and reply formally to OK's request in the Seneschal report. I'll be doing that tonight, promise!

I'll take the save later to do House movement too.

A very interesting election to be sure, especially given how support fell out for the legislation...