KOTF OOC Thread

[_Tristan_]

Actually, he does... It rose suddenly from around 6 to 9 directly...

[Cecil XIX]

Actually, he does... It rose suddenly from around 6 to 9 directly...

Jeez, and he vetoed the most popular proposals too...

Actually, I think it would be better RP in the future if the King announced his vetoes in the Conseil. Having Zim say so in the voting thread is a bit boring, no offense intended of course.

Also, I've updated the influence column in the Library, though I've placed Barvus Selvo's influence in Constance's row. I'm sorry for not keeping it up to date these last two sessions, rest assured it will be fully brought up to speed before the 4th session.

[AussieGiant]

The King is going to have to make a statement in the Council.

It's not appropriate for Roleplaying to have a GM to make an administrative statement in the poll.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The King is going to have to make a statement in the Council.

It's not appropriate for Roleplaying to have a GM to make an administrative statement in the poll.

Seconded!

[Vladimir]

Hey, pipe down you. He vetoed the resolutions you are against.

And vetoing 13:1 legislation...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Hey, pipe down you. He vetoed the resolutions you are against.

And vetoing 13:1 legislation...

I know that.

That's why I would like to know why he gave me such support!

Anyway, from this thing interesting IC conflicts might emerge!

[AussieGiant]

This certainly creates some entertaining options.

[Vladimir]

I know that.

That's why I would like to know why he gave me such support!

Anyway, from this thing interesting IC conflicts might emerge!

Oh, I think I know why. This should be an interesting succession.

Ramses: The man who would be king...but won't!!!

dun dun dunnunununun

[_Tristan_]

Actually, I think it would be better RP in the future if the King announced his vetoes in the Conseil. Having Zim say so in the voting thread is a bit boring, no offense intended of course.

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

[TinCow]

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

I believe the method used was the proper one. Zim asked for my opinion on when vetoes should be submitted, and I stated that the above method was the proper one. That seems like the fair balance: by waiting until the Conseil session is closed, that prevents nobles from getting around the veto by simply proposing a similar edict with slightly different wording. At the same time, by forcing the King to use the veto before voting begins, he takes the risk of vetoing something that would have failed anyway. Seems like a fair balance to me.

At the same time, I'm pleased that Zim waited to post the results of the veto until after voting had finished, because it's important to see how people would have voted on the vetoed Edicts... and we wouldn't get a fair picture of that if people had already known they were vetoed before they even began to vote.

[AussieGiant]

This is certainly the correct way and the only real way veto powers are able to be effective.

Of course now that the King has shown his appetite for doing this, the more astute legislators might fight back tactically with a number of different ways.

I would have simply preferred the King to make his statement in the Council after the poll closed, thereby keeping it IC and effective.

But hey we live and learn so perhaps for next time.

[TinCow]

I would have simply preferred the King to make his statement in the Council after the poll closed, thereby keeping it IC and effective.

Ah, yes... I was simply commenting on the timing of the actions. Making the announcement IC instead of OOC would probably be better in the future.

[Cecil XIX]

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

As has been said, these are all very good reasons for the timing. But they having nothing to do with the location where the vetoes were issued, which was the source of my suggestion.

[deguerra]

Umm...as a small matter, where have my votes gone?? It may just be me, but I can't see my name in any of the legislation. That said I'm on a slow connection atm, which may explain either my votes not having registered or not being there for some reason.

It's not a biggy, my votes changed nothing that I can see. But in terms of inactivity, I don't want it to look like I didn't vote.

Any ideas?

[OverKnight]

If you can't vote in the poll again, just post your votes in the legislation thread. Whoever reviews it for activity will know you voted and I'll count your votes.

[deguerra]

think it's still open, so I'll give it a shot. Just wanted to make sure.