KOTF OOC Thread

[_Tristan_]

[OverKnight]

Does the King have an authority of 9 now? He gets to veto one piece of legislation per three points of authority.

[_Tristan_]

Actually, he does... It rose suddenly from around 6 to 9 directly...

[Cecil XIX]

Actually, he does... It rose suddenly from around 6 to 9 directly...

Jeez, and he vetoed the most popular proposals too...

Actually, I think it would be better RP in the future if the King announced his vetoes in the Conseil. Having Zim say so in the voting thread is a bit boring, no offense intended of course.

Also, I've updated the influence column in the Library, though I've placed Barvus Selvo's influence in Constance's row. I'm sorry for not keeping it up to date these last two sessions, rest assured it will be fully brought up to speed before the 4th session.

[AussieGiant]

The King is going to have to make a statement in the Council.

It's not appropriate for Roleplaying to have a GM to make an administrative statement in the poll.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The King is going to have to make a statement in the Council.

It's not appropriate for Roleplaying to have a GM to make an administrative statement in the poll.

Seconded!

[Vladimir]

Hey, pipe down you. He vetoed the resolutions you are against.

And vetoing 13:1 legislation...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Hey, pipe down you. He vetoed the resolutions you are against.

And vetoing 13:1 legislation...

I know that.

That's why I would like to know why he gave me such support!

Anyway, from this thing interesting IC conflicts might emerge!

[AussieGiant]

This certainly creates some entertaining options.

[econ21]

With Zim's approval, I have buffed the AI military slightly. It's similar to what I did at the start of the game, so nothing cataclysmic - just adding a few good units to most settlements and rather more to each capital. Zim may want to take a final look at it before play proceeds, but it should not cause any issues.

The only warning I would give is to the two generals besieging German settlements. I did not add troops to the besieged settlements but I did give what they should have got to neighbouring ones. If those settlements are captured, it might be unwise to loiter there and risk being trapped by newly spawned troops. Out in the field, you can always retreat.

I would note that we have done a pretty good of rushing the AI with almost no armies of our own to speak of. We are now the largest faction in land and population. England and the HRE - our natural enemies - are effectively gutted and could be wiped out by the next Conseil. A period of consolidation might be in order or this game is going to becoming unchallenging very soon. An event soon to rebalance things might be in order.

[Vladimir]

I know that.

That's why I would like to know why he gave me such support!

Anyway, from this thing interesting IC conflicts might emerge!

Oh, I think I know why. This should be an interesting succession.

Ramses: The man who would be king...but won't!!!

dun dun dunnunununun

[ULC]

I'm sorry to have been inactive these past few weeks, but I've simply lost interest in that game and now that I am in a professional gaming league with two upcoming tournaments for another game (Alliance of Valiant Arms), I've been under a lot of pressure to perform as my teams pointman.

I may get back in sometime late November, but right now I am far to occupied. The only good thing out of this is now if I do well, I can start getting paid for playing video games

[_Tristan_]

Actually, I think it would be better RP in the future if the King announced his vetoes in the Conseil. Having Zim say so in the voting thread is a bit boring, no offense intended of course.

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

[TinCow]

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

I believe the method used was the proper one. Zim asked for my opinion on when vetoes should be submitted, and I stated that the above method was the proper one. That seems like the fair balance: by waiting until the Conseil session is closed, that prevents nobles from getting around the veto by simply proposing a similar edict with slightly different wording. At the same time, by forcing the King to use the veto before voting begins, he takes the risk of vetoing something that would have failed anyway. Seems like a fair balance to me.

At the same time, I'm pleased that Zim waited to post the results of the veto until after voting had finished, because it's important to see how people would have voted on the vetoed Edicts... and we wouldn't get a fair picture of that if people had already known they were vetoed before they even began to vote.

[AussieGiant]

This is certainly the correct way and the only real way veto powers are able to be effective.

Of course now that the King has shown his appetite for doing this, the more astute legislators might fight back tactically with a number of different ways.

I would have simply preferred the King to make his statement in the Council after the poll closed, thereby keeping it IC and effective.

But hey we live and learn so perhaps for next time.

[TinCow]

I would have simply preferred the King to make his statement in the Council after the poll closed, thereby keeping it IC and effective.

Ah, yes... I was simply commenting on the timing of the actions. Making the announcement IC instead of OOC would probably be better in the future.

[Cecil XIX]

I would have posted my vetoes in the Conseil thread earlier but by discussing my intent with him, we decided that I should veto the Edicts prior to the posting of the voting thread, by PMing him the vetoes.

We concurred that posting my intention to veto those Edicts would defeat its purpose as therefore as it could allow people to post new Edicts with the same intent but a different wording.

It also prevented the King from vetoing Edicts that were meant to pass.

Zim can give proof that my PM was sent to him long before the voting started.

As has been said, these are all very good reasons for the timing. But they having nothing to do with the location where the vetoes were issued, which was the source of my suggestion.

[deguerra]

Umm...as a small matter, where have my votes gone?? It may just be me, but I can't see my name in any of the legislation. That said I'm on a slow connection atm, which may explain either my votes not having registered or not being there for some reason.

It's not a biggy, my votes changed nothing that I can see. But in terms of inactivity, I don't want it to look like I didn't vote.

Any ideas?

[OverKnight]

If you can't vote in the poll again, just post your votes in the legislation thread. Whoever reviews it for activity will know you voted and I'll count your votes.

[deguerra]

think it's still open, so I'll give it a shot. Just wanted to make sure.

[OverKnight]

Here what I think is everyone's influence:

Tristan: 9
Ramses: 3
OK: 3
AG: 2
TheFlax: 2

Everyone else is 1.

Am I missing anything?

[Vladimir]

Vladimir's influence is:

1 +

But yea, Gontran's is only 1.

[Cecil XIX]

Here what I think is everyone's influence:

Tristan: 9
Ramses: 3
OK: 3
AG: 2
TheFlax: 2

Everyone else is 1.

Am I missing anything?

Those are my counts as well.

[HolyGateKeeper]

Greetings, fellow Burgundians, I am the Archbishop of Worms! And keeper of the holy gates in heaven. It is eloquent to see my cousins oncemore, for I am a saintly meek old man, with nothing else to do but perform liturgies, sacraments, marriages, and preach the others about the good news of the Bible, and we all can kill heretics by helping so, lol. But I'm glad to be with my Burgundian nobility, and bretheren, and will be active most of the time.

[HolyGateKeeper]

Archbishop of Cologne! I really messed up there. Ok then for now on I'm the Archbishop of Cologne. Sorry it's just that I looked up the archbishopric coat of arms of the German city of Worms, and I found out it didn't exist, so I went more French and got the province of Cologne.

[HolyGateKeeper]

I wonder if my ecclesiastical heraldry is too big...

[TinCow]

I wonder if my ecclesiastical heraldry is too big...

Indeed it is. The rules on signatures are as follows:

The rules for signature pictures are:

* 10,240 bytes max.
* no sound.
* max 500 pixels wide, max 150 pixels high.

The byte size limit is fungible if it's not otherwise too large, but the pixel size needs to be respected or it starts to make the threads difficult to read. Your current signature is 434px × 500px, so it's fine on width, but over 3 times too large on height.

Welcome to the forums, though! And welcome to KotF, we're glad to have you.

[HolyGateKeeper]

Do I get my own coat of arms, or do I form my own, because I think they don't have a ecclesiastical coat of arms generator. Btw, if you guys have MTW2:Kingdoms, then welcome to my world, lol. Because I have it, and it ain't a Steam version.

[AussieGiant]

Hi there HolyGateKeeper.

Good to have you on board.

First thought that popped into my head though...is this a set up?

[econ21]

Welcome HolyGateKeeper.

In the Bourgogne thread you mentioned having talked to the Duke - have you been in contact with CecilXIX about joining this game? If so, I am not sure how much he has told you as there are quite a lot of rules and games mechanics to get familiar with, although playing is very simple. There are two dimensions to the game - what happens in the MTW game and what happens in the forums.

To fully participate in the MTW game, you need to install the LTC mod and minor mini-mod we are using. Instructions are in the sticky at the top of this thread. You also need an in-game representation - an avatar. The gamesmaster is Zim, so you should PM him to discuss getting an avatar. We all now have generals as avatars, as that means we can participate in battles, although in the past some people in these kind of games have had agents such as Priests or Cardinals. It might be possible to role-play a general who was also in the clergy (I seem to recall William the Conqueror brought at least one high ranking battling clergyman with him to Hastings), although you'd probably want to negotiate that with Zim.

To participate in the forum side of the game, you need to stay in character in most of the threads labelled KOTF except this one. So if you have any queries and out of character comments, this is the thread to do it. If you want to discuss Duchy business in character, use the Duchy thread - there's also a social group that Cecil could invite you to join. If you want to talk more widely in a formal way in character, use the Conseil - informally, use the tavern. The reports and orders thread is mainly for when you are picking up save game to move your avatar - its becoming an OOC thread now, as substantive in character issues are being directed to the Conseil to keep that thread lively out of session.

I hope it's not too much to take in at once. I'd recommend browsing the stickies and recent threads to get a feel for things.