The Death of Respect

[HoreTore]

I would say there is a difference between disciplining a child and another adult. For example, if your boss is out of line, he can fire you. If your girlfriend is out of line, you can break up with her. If a child is somewhere he doesn't want to be, you can't send him home - so what are you going to do? Children, and indeed people in general, don't care about receiving punishment if it isn't effective. If there are effective ways of disciplining a student without violence, those are obviously to be preferred, but there are some cases where a cane may well be necessary.

That being said, this raises the important question of whether the teacher should have the right to cane the student, which I have mixed feelings on since discipline should be primarily the responsibility of the family and not the state.

Violence is violence.

I'll never compromise on that.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I've never understood why physical violence is seen any differently from other ways of harming people.

[Meneldil]

Violence is violence.

I'll never compromise on that.

Are you one of those 'children shall not be spanked/slaped' hippies?

As for the topic, I doubt there's such a thing as a death of respect. There probably was more violence, street crimes, rapes so on going on in the early 20th than nowadays (at least in your average place in Europe). Thing is, petty crime gets much more media coverage than it used to back then. When gangs used to fight with guns in the poors neighbourhoods of Paris in 1905, nobody cared basically. Now, when two gangs fight in a suburb near Paris, it makes the headline in any decent newspaper. People claim this is the downfall of civilization, the end of our nation and what not.

Sure, happy slapping is disgusting, and I think people who commit such acts should be shot immediatly when caught. Sure, hearing about a 15 year old kid stabbing his teacher is revolting. But meh, is it something new? I seriously doubt it, though I may be wrong.
What I might agree with is that violence is much more tolerated nowadays, maybe because we all turned into cowards/hippies/people who don't give a damn.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Violence is violence.

I'll never compromise on that.

So you never think it is justifiable in any scenario?

[HoreTore]

So you never think it is justifiable in any scenario?

Nope.

[FactionHeir]

So you'd be all nice to a terrorist and not even touch him if he threatens to blow up the building your family is in?

[HoreTore]

So you'd be all nice to a terrorist and not even touch him if he threatens to blow up the building your family is in?

Who cares about terrorists? Since when did they become a threat to me?

[Husar]

Who cares about terrorists? Since when did they become a threat to me?

Typical HoreTore "argument", if I run out of arguments, I'll just say the argument from the other side is irrelevant.
How about antibiotics? Did you know taking antibiotics is violence towards bacteria?
And not taking them means your body will kill even more itself, most likely.
Are you a vegetarian? Or is that violence not violence? Or do you make a compromise there?

[HoreTore]

Typical HoreTore "argument", if I run out of arguments, I'll just say the argument from the other side is irrelevant.
How about antibiotics? Did you know taking antibiotics is violence towards bacteria?
And not taking them means your body will kill even more itself, most likely.
Are you a vegetarian? Or is that violence not violence? Or do you make a compromise there?

Since when did I care about other species? I'm a farmers son, remember

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Who cares about terrorists? Since when did they become a threat to me?

Ok, man breaks into your house, goes for a knife to kill your mother.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Ok, man breaks into your house, goes for a knife to kill your mother.

You could set yourself on fire as a means of peaceful protest... then if you managed to run at him it might even scare him away...

[HoreTore]

Ok, man breaks into your house, goes for a knife to kill your mother.

That won't ever happen either.

You see, the best solution to any such situation, is to make sure they never happen. As my officers told me in the army, if we come under attack, then there's no point trying to defend ourselves, we might as well lie down and die, it's our own bloody fault for being dumb enough to come under fire.