Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
Isn't that still true for much of that part of the world?
nope, things have changed.

nowadays, you're allowed no more than 0 cups of wine. financial loss is no longer prohibited (not from religion, but lack of care). and nowadays they can't balance pride with humility, so they are either vain c***s or with a serious inferiority syndrome. that last one can be atributed to the past century.

the ideals of preislamic arabia, and early islamic arabia have survived either in only a few people, or is just a hollow ideal to most arabs today.