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    Did I see classical hoplites in phalanx formation?
    Μηδεν εωρακεναι φoβερωτερον και δεινοτερον φαλλαγγος μακεδονικης

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    Did I see classical hoplites in phalanx formation?


    this screeny here?

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    after a long EB absence i will be continuing this AAR, expect a new chapter sometime in the next week.

    however i fear that I have lost the notes i took between my last update and the current game date....

    i'll just give a brief overview of this period if that is the case

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    I'm looking forward to it.
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    Here's the situation, I am missing notes for the first two years after the last update. However I have been able to figure out who was born in this period by checking ages against the current date. I then have a period between 257 and 255 were I have notes but no screenshots, so the next chapter will be shorter as I can't use the screenshots to flesh it out a bit, sorry.

    Anyway, next chapter will be up tonight at some point.

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    Chapter V
    The “Peace” Years
    259-255 BC

    After 23 years of being a Basileus/general Ptolemaios II, decided to pass chief control of his armies to his son-in-law Pyrrhos. It is commonly believed that a combination of pressure from his daughter and a genuine respect for his son-in-law contributed greatly to this decision. Upon taking control of the principal army of the Ptolemaioi Pyrrhos started recruiting great numbers of Galatians having been impressed by their skill, courage and ferocity in previous battles. This would have varied consequences in later years as the armies began to rely on steadily decreasing numbers of Jews for their auxiliary troops.

    Staying in the area of Ioudaia while he recruited his army Pyrrhos drew up plans for an invasion of the region of Sinai. The region was depicted as a centre for both banditry and piracy and this was used as the reason for the invasion. However many philosophers argued the point that a discovery of copper had recently been made in the region and that the local king was unwilling to trade with Ptolemaios.

    In this period many building projects were completed including mines in Kilikia and a river port a short distance from the town of Pselkis in the province of Triakontaschoinos.

    In the spring of 256 BC Pyrrhos crossed the border between Ioudaia and Sinai at the head of his new-look army. Advancing on Petra the seat of power of Hayu, King of the Maranitoe, Pyrrhos ordered his army to surround the town and dig in for a long siege, despite the fact that the town was unfortified. After a failed attempt to break the siege Hayu also settled in for the long haul. The siege continued for over a year until in the summer of 255 BC a decisivie battle was fought. An unknown historian said this of the battle:

    “The army of Ptolemaios, under the command of his son-in-law Pyrrhos lined up in the plain before the town. The Maranitoe King formed his men up facing the invaders. Many of his men were levied and had little experience of warfare whereas the army of Pyrrhos was made of a semi-professional core of Phalangitai, supported by wild Galatikoi. The majority of his army were veterans of the war against the Seleukid King.

    Hayu was said to have been a learned man and he had studied the campaigns of Alexandros. Therefore he realised that the key to defeating the hammer and anvil tactics used by Alexandros and his Diodachoi was to turn the hammer whilst smashing the anvil. He tried to tie down the flanks of Pyrrhos' army while breaking through the centre.

    After a brief exchange of missile fire the main battle lines clashed. In the centre of Pyrrhos' line the bulk of the Maranitoe infantry attacked while a smaller force under Hayu's son attacked the left. Hayu himself led his cavalry and the smallest of his three infantry groups towards the left flank. The battle remained at a stalemate for a long time as the Maranitoe cavalry were able to inflict terrible losses on the Ioudaioi fighting there. Seeing the danger of the fighting in the centre Pyrrhos had previously moved infantry from his left flank to reinforce the centre and had ordered his Prodromoi to the left. Outnumbered by the enemy his cavalry were driven back and would have been crushed had it not been for a brave charge by the general into the flanks of the engaged Maranitoe cavalry, locking horns with and defeating Hayu in single combat.

    Seeing their king die the Maranitoe closest to were he fell threw down their weapons. Soon this gesture was repeated all across the battlefield and only small pockets of fighting remained, the largest of these centring around the son of Hayu and his bodyguards, however he was struck down and the remainder of his bodyguard also surrendered.”

    With Petra now in Ptolemaic hands work was began to extract the mineral resources of the region to increase the wealth of the Ptolemaioi.

    Timeline of this Period:~

    259 BC

    • Philista, daughter of Alexandros Thraikikos born.
    • Skyllinos, son of Euergetes born


    258 BC

    • Terpnos Ptolemaios, son of Meleagros travels to Alexandria to study


    257 BC


    Summer
    • Philotera, widow of Menelaos Salaminios dies


    Autumn
    • Mines completed in Kilikia


    Winter
    • River port opened in Triakontaschanos


    256 BC
    • Pyrrhos crosses into Sinai and besieges Petra


    255 BC

    Spring
    • A Hellen named Philanor Syrakousates becomes governor of Side


    Summer
    • Pyrhos defeats Hayu and takes controls of Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roka View Post


    this screeny here?


    What in the world? I've never seen them that way before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post

    What in the world? I've never seen them that way before...
    its the Phalanx mod, check it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roka View Post
    its the Phalanx mod, check it out
    Why would you give them Phalanx mode...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    Why would you give them Phalanx mode...
    Because its his game and he wants them?

    Anyways, ive been lurking here too. I like your progression Roka. Especially the linage you do of your family, I havent seen it before. Good to see that this AAR isnt dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasiliyi View Post
    Because its his game and he wants them?

    Anyways, ive been lurking here too. I like your progression Roka. Especially the linage you do of your family, I havent seen it before. Good to see that this AAR isnt dead.
    Well, no kidding, huh? I was just wondering of the logic behind it. AFAIK there are good reasons it wasn't made so in EB itself, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    Why would you give them Phalanx mode...
    because otherwise they lose all cohesion when they engage an enemy, instead of the solid block of men that they should be, plus makes it harder defeat them

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasiliyi View Post
    Because its his game and he wants them?

    Anyways, ive been lurking here too. I like your progression Roka. Especially the linage you do of your family, I havent seen it before. Good to see that this AAR isnt dead.
    thanks, i've got my next chapter on paper all that is left to do is to type it up, improve it and add in screenshots, maybe later tonight or early tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roka View Post
    because otherwise they lose all cohesion when they engage an enemy, instead of the solid block of men that they should be, plus makes it harder defeat them
    It's hard enough as is. Guard off, and attack is the way to go with hoplites as they are. Phalanx attribute will require guard on, phalanx on, and will be so slow, more of a liability than an asset.

    See here as hoplites guard off attack and envelop (as that's what guard off results in) the Roman imperial center. Rome gets lucky here.
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