EB Online Tournement August Rules Discussion

[Jebivjetar]

Sign me in. I'll play Carthage again

[Apázlinemjó]

It's a bit foggy for me, what about the LIGHTs? Only those units count as LIGHT which have skirmishing mode? What about the axemen in Anatolia? And the Thuerophoroi? And the levy spearmen? And the shortswordsmen?

EDIT: LOL, Never mind, I read it again.

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...

[spiritusdilutus]

good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...

Yeah I kinda noticed the rule altered too. Does it only apply to Camillan and Polybian armies or for every single Romani army regardless of what era

[antisocialmunky]

good rules, but i totally disagree those ridicolous 3k that romani leave.
I didn t see, in last tourney, that romani are so strong with 36k... they lost many battle also with polybian 36k (all principes) full upgrade
Maybe this rule can work with all pre-marian romani(polybian and camillan), but not with post-marian in my mind.
Another thing: i think barbarians should be allowed to take more light troops than 6.
I m going to take Hayadsan for this new tourney... maybe...

Since we don't have elite limits anymore, it prevents people from taking the all Pedites, Triarii spam army. Its not like your all principes spam was realistic either and knowing you, you pretty much sat there, let your cav get beaten by someone else and died. The main reason that post Marian is hit with the 3K limit as well is because people got pissed at your for your missile spam of 6 Sagitarii but I think there is a way around that:

Post Marian troops get to use all their money except I'm actually going to enforce your use of Imperial Era cavalry. You're stuck with Alae Imperatoria, Pratorean Cavalry, and the various mercs like you guys should have been doing all last tournement instead of the Marian Auxillaries.

I'll test it today.

PS. Infact, I remember one time we played and you took that army. You lost your cavalry in a big engagement against Mak and quit.

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

Since we don't have elite limits anymore, it prevents people from taking the all Pedites, Triarii spam army. Its not like your all principes spam was realistic either and knowing you, you pretty much sat there, let your cav get beaten by someone else and died. The main reason that post Marian is hit with the 3K limit as well is because people got pissed at your for your missile spam of 6 Sagitarii but I think there is a way around that:

Post Marian troops get to use all their money except I'm actually going to enforce your use of Imperial Era cavalry. You're stuck with Alae Imperatoria, Pratorean Cavalry, and the various mercs like you guys should have been doing all last tournement instead of the Marian Auxillaries.

I'll test it today.

PS. Infact, I remember one time we played and you took that army. You lost your cavalry in a big engagement against Mak and quit.

Sorry, but... did you see ala imperatoria and praetorian cavalry in the field?
They can t charge well, haven t ap, they lose in melee also with podromoi and daha riders(!!!), i ve already tested it, they are more expensive too.
Except of armour they are as strong as eqvites romani, then a shit.
So you said: "take this cav in imperial era, cannot spam saggitari(but KH can spam cretans) or prima cohors, 3k limitation"... then imperial army suck after this.
Why you said that take auxilliary cav isn t historically right?
About Marian: yes they are allowed to take those average auxilliary cav, but haven t sagittarii, and 3k limitation again... then also marian suck.
About Polybian: they are actually the best of roman era due to this rules limitations, but they haven t archers, have those heavy infantry limitation and of course the same 3k rule.
Then without chevron, polybian infantry is worse than marian/imperial due to less men and less morale.
About Camillan: they aren t so bad, but low morale and bad armour are the main problems...

However, with this new rules... plus the reforms limitations (that other factions haven t), romani become really hard to playing... more against those extra heavy cav or powerful hellenic army.

It s clear that romani are now really more weak than previous tourney...
But why?
Did you forgot romani team score in last tourney?
It s really necessary to make more weak romani?
You talking about giving elephants to AS... isn t AS already the stronger faction?
Be serious... you can see my point...

[antisocialmunky]

Well its not an issue of imperials being weaker, its an issue of me letting you bend the rules by taking Marian Cavalry. The 3K unspent in Pre-Marian is to prevent Triarii + Pedite spam. I'm still reconsidering the Imperial 3K limit but I think it'll go away since really, the archers aren't that massive of a problem.

You can still archer spam in any era if that's what you're after.

@goat - They are gone to allow you more flexibility. I think the new format should work fine and the mnai limit will stiffle your all elite armies.

So far the only good application for masschat/gaming is Tunngle: http://tunngle.net/en/

I think I got all the bugs worked out of it on my end so if anyone wants to test it with me again. I'm up for it.

[Phalanx300]

Ok I'll try to join this one as Sweboz this time.

[vartan]

So far the only good application for masschat/gaming is Tunngle: http://tunngle.net/en/

I think I got all the bugs worked out of it on my end so if anyone wants to test it with me again. I'm up for it.

Did you finally get the darn thing to work? Does it require any modifications or is it finally working on its own now?

[tsidneku]

It's a bit foggy for me, what about the LIGHTs? Only those units count as LIGHT which have skirmishing mode? What about the axemen in Anatolia? And the Thuerophoroi? And the levy spearmen? And the shortswordsmen?

EDIT: LOL, Never mind, I read it again.

I may be wrong, but from what I understand (from my tester games with ASM), LIGHT units are any units that have skirmish mode and/or 'fast moving'.

[antisocialmunky]

Fast moving + not 'well armored' or skirmish for infantry and skirmish + not 'well armored' for cav.

[Apázlinemjó]

Fast moving + not 'well armored' or skirmish for infantry and skirmish + not 'well armored' for cav.

Then the Thracian Peltasts count as normal infantry too. I have to check the axemen and native spearmen, but if I'm right they don't have the "Fast movin'" "trait". Thuerophoroi is infantry too. Hmm...hmmm...hmmm.

Edit: Axemen from Mikra Asia don't have the trait, but the native spearmen like Pantodapoi have it. Damn.

I'm confused about Thrakians, what do they count?

[antisocialmunky]

Anything with skirimish and two legs is counted in the 'Light' category. The designation does remove most of the assault infantry types from the mix so its pretty much missile and levy spam(thought the Gauls/Iberians can fill it with decent infnatry).

Also, I like the idea for bumping up the barbarian Light limit to 8 so they can mass more of their crap missiles if they want to against other missile spammers(thought a massive charge probably works a little better than standing there trading missiles).

BTW- I'm Getai this time around :-D

[Apázlinemjó]

I see, I hope none will go spam 7-8 Cretan Archers or Thrakian Peltasts, because they are all considered light.

[m0r1d1n]

i would be going with Koinon Hellenon