EB Online Tournement Battle Report Thread

[antisocialmunky]

Welcome to the Europa Barbarorum Online Tournement Battle Report Thread. Please keep this to only the posting and discussion of replays and tallying of results. Discussion about rules and other stuff should be carried out in here.

To look at the rules or sign up please go here as well.

The rooms are:
EBOT_0
EBOT_1
EBOT_2
EBOT_3
EBOT_4

Passwords are all EB.

PLEASE JUST SELECT 3 ROOM RANDOMLY TO JOIN. MATHMEMATICALLY THIS WILL RESULT IN EVERYONE BEING ABLE TO PLAY EACH OTHER

Romani: 23/27
Agrippa 6-7 = -1
ACS 10-6 = 4
Mithick666 2-2 = 0
spiritusdilutus 5-11 = -6
Lestat 0-1 = -1

Aedui: 6/1
NeoSpartan 6-1 = 5

Saka: 7/4
Antisocialmunky 7-4 = 3

Carthage: 7/12
darius_d 2-5 = -3
Jebivjetar 2-1 = 1
m0r1d1n 3-6 = -3

Arche Seleukia: 22/10
French-Legionaire 1-3 = -2
Fluvius Camillus 6-0 = 6
Flavius_Belisarius 2-3 = -1
JinandJuice 13-4 = 9

Pontos: 13/5
tsidneku 13-5 = 8
Apázlinemjó 0/0

Makedonia: 2/1
Maion 0/0
Alexander 0/0
Antigonos 1/0
Sir Karati 1/1

Getai: 0/1
Maris: 0-1 = -1
mountaingoat 0/0

KH: 2/20
Alsatia 0-13 = -13
"Hiero" 2-7= -5

Sweboz: 0/0
Phalanx300 0/0

Hayasdan: 3/3
Vartan 3-3 = 0

Saba 4/6
Parallel_Pain 4-6 = -2

Casse 11/10
Gabeed 11-10 = 1

Averni 0/0
The Celtric Viking 0/0

Good luck and have fun. This runs to August 1st :)

EDIT: I will eventually compile all the replays up here like: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ght=tournement <- If anyone wants to see some epic games(and a 40K Macedon of DEATH) go here.

[tsidneku]

I bring you two matches today! Links to the replays are in the titles, in case people don't notice.

Game #1: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

This was a pretty epic battle. Despite our starting points, we arranged it so that we could meet at the top of the hill for a relatively level ground battle. Flavius' archers/slingers tore through half of one of my heavy cavalry before I realized it before the engagement. Pontos won the battle after its horse archers slung around the rear to bring down the Makedonian aux troops and cavalry.

Game #2: Flavius_Belisarius vs tsidneku

We chose Grass Flatlands this time so it would be completely level. Neither of us minded that there was no flora, we were both Hellenic based factions so surprise didn't matter as much. I busted out the Galatikoi Tindanotai this round. I was surprised to find that Flavius only fielded 6 phalangite units, it was backed with 4 slinger units to try to counter my cavalry. A double-sided flank turned into a heated battle on all three fronts. Eventually, Pontos broke through the flanks and routed a good number of his troops. However, he seemed to have clobbered my phalangite line. I have no clue how that happened -- any commentary/explanation is greatly appreciated. I was worried that I had blundered and lost this one when I realized my phalanx line was dead, but I managed to pull a victory out of the bag.

[Maion Maroneios]

This is the first battle I fought with the new rules and, as I expected, my army was mauled very, very badly. I lost more than double the men I was able to kill. With the fewer men, my cavalry actually lost the fight on my left and the superiority of numbers on the side of my enemy made sure I was promptly surrounded. Also, the bad quality of my phalanxes made sure they routed quickly upon being surrounded. Not to mention the riddiculous +1 chevron that my enemy (ACS) used that gave them *even* more morale and attack. As if the very high morale of the Romans isn't enough to begin with. And the irony was ACS told me it was a "nice" and "good" game. Yeah right.

As such, I ask you to consider raising the cap to 40,000 again and abolishing the +1 chevron rule. I am ready to present you with even more evidence for these rules being riddiculous enough for us Hellen-players.
http://www.filefront.com/13949992/undefined

There's actually another matter. I, due to these restrictions, was unable to field good enough infantry to match my enemy instead having to field skirmishers. My Kretikoi and Akontistai were no match for any of ACS's infantry. There should be restrictions in the ammased infantry, forcing players to actually field some skirmishers instead of purely infantry and - this goes for the Romans - those riddiculous numbers of Extraordinarii that ate my cavalry.

[_Agrippa_]

flavius he must have the tests to accuse a user to have used the upgrade on weapon and armor

[Maion Maroneios]

flavius she must have the tests to accuse a user to have used the upgrade on weapon and armor

There is no "she" in this Tournament, I can assure you of that.

Maion

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

This is the first battle I fought with the new rules and, as I expected, my army was mauled very, very badly. I lost more than double the men I was able to kill. With the fewer men, my cavalry actually lost the fight on my left and the superiority of numbers on the side of my enemy made sure I was promptly surrounded. Also, the bad quality of my phalanxes made sure they routed quickly upon being surrounded. Not to mention the riddiculous +1 chevron that my enemy (ACS) used that gave them *even* more morale and attack. As if the very high morale of the Romans isn't enough to begin with. And the irony was ACS told me it was a "nice" and "good" game. Yeah right.

As such, I ask you to consider raising the cap to 40,000 again and abolishing the +1 chevron rule. I am ready to present you with even more evidence for these rules being riddiculous enough for us Hellen-players.
http://www.filefront.com/13949992/undefined

There's actually another matter. I, due to these restrictions, was unable to field good enough infantry to match my enemy instead having to field skirmishers. My Kretikoi and Akontistai were no match for any of ACS's infantry. There should be restrictions in the ammased infantry, forcing players to actually field some skirmishers instead of purely infantry and - this goes for the Romans - those riddiculous numbers of Extraordinarii that ate my cavalry.

I have played following the rules and you question me in this way.
I am very disapponted of your response.
I won because I played better than you.
Yes I use 3 units of extraordinarii, but did you think you are historically right by using 4 or 5 units of cavalry in makedonians army(like you do often).
So if I can t use my melee infantry, what can i use?
I haven t phalanx, many good heavy cavalry, i haven t horse archers, i haven t many spearmen.
So what can I do in your mind?
Nothing, I must leave you win...
Be right with me, romans have only melee infantry, without this I can t playing against any hellenic factions.
We must respect each other, I have never attacked you in this way.

This is the battle: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/3198511046/vsmaion.rpy

[Maion Maroneios]

I have played following the rules and you question me in this way.
I am very disapponted of your response.
I won because I played better than you.
Yes I use 3 units of extraordinarii, but did you think you are historically right by using 4 or 5 units of cavalry in makedonians army(like you do often).
So if I can t use my melee infantry, what can i use?
I haven t phalanx, many good heavy cavalry, i haven t horse archers, i haven t many spearmen.
So what can I do in your mind?
Nothing, I must leave you win...
Be right with me, romans have only melee infantry, without this I can t playing against any hellenic factions.
We must respect each other, I have never attacked you in this way.

First of all, I never attacked you. Even a rookie would win this battle against me. This is intened to proove ASM that the rules need to be re-checked. You're a good fellow, I've told you that before. Nothing against you.

I've never used 5 units of cavalry. I always use 4 units of them, since they are the only thing that can give me a victory over armies like the one you fielded.

Also, I never said you shouldn't field only Extraordinarii. I said I couldn't counter them because I didn't have the additional Hetairoi unit that gave me the opportunity of winning cavalry battles. I was doomed to fail in this one, especially since you had so much more infantry to protect your cavalry with.

The Romans didn't only use infantry. They had many Socii in their armies IIRC, and this doesn't only count the Extraordinarii. You used absolutely no skirmishers, which gave me a clear disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that you seem to neglect, mainly the +1 chevron that gave your units iron discipline (if the Romans don't have enough of it to begin with) and other bonuses as well. I was in a clear disadvantage and I knew it all along, I just wanted to proove ASM the rules have to be re-checked.

ASM, give me back my mnai!

Maion

[Aulus Caecina Severus]

I tell you this battle didn t count for tournament, it was only friendly match.
But you give me this response?
Take a look of those you write... isn t it really an attak?

I m sorry to talking like now, i want play many battle against very good opponent like you...

I respect you and other.
But you can t talking in this way.

[darius_d]

This is the first battle I fought with the new rules and, as I expected, my army was mauled very, very badly.
...
As such, I ask you to consider raising the cap to 40,000 again and abolishing the +1 chevron rule.

As you said - it was your first time game with 36K budget.
Instead of asking to change the rules now when the tournament has started, just try some more battles, improve your tactics and progress will be inevitable. See how Flavius Belisarius is doing with Makedonia.


Idea of coming back to 40K and abolishing chevrons it is actually come back to old balancing problems for romans and barbarians (besides it is unfair to all those who contributed their time to work with 36K budget over the last week).

If anything, I see more reason to force players to use light inf / auxilia units.
However, all results played so far in tournament should be respected.

[darius_d]

Back to topic:

I am very proud to announce my first win in the tournament.
I was playing Qartadastim against my nemesis Romani (Polybian) commanded by Agrippa.

this is the replay:
http://www.mediafire.com/?eijfgzvwy2y
Edited: new link

PS. This is not my first battle in the tournament - the first one played with Flavius Belisarius was interrupted by his connection problems and I should rather feel relief for that outcome :)

So, when Agrippa told me he took Polybian I knew I am in trouble, just recently I also was a victim of ACS's Romani Polybian army, and I expected from Agrippa the same deadly formation.
But what I finally saw on the battlefield was actually even worse.

Agrippa brought an army consisting of just princepes, and some triarii. Plus 2 elite cavalry units. No hastati. And no archers or other soft units. All densely packed in defensive style.
I was shocked to see that, so much that I simply had no idea for my battle plan.
My Carthage army consisted mainly of good Iberian infantry, some cheap archers and 2 solid cavalry units but since hastati were fully replaced by princepes I felt this battle was over even before it started.

That's why it took so long time before the armies clashed, because I initially was on the edge of leaving the battle, having doubts if army consisting of virtually just principes (no hastati, no auxilia) is ok.
Indeed, it is Agrippa who came with his army to mine. My troops made no move forward, because until that time I was desperately trying to figure out any reasonable tactics.

However, just before units engaged in fighting I managed to do some regroupments and finally as well as much surprisingly secured the outcome of the day.

I wanted to show some printscreens so I tried to upload them to albums on my account in this forum, but apparently this upload doesnt work. If someone can prove me wrong I have some spare baloons.

[antisocialmunky]

https://imageshack.us/

I wouldn't mind doing a screenshot prize at the end of this as well.

[mountaingoat]

Good luck and have fun. This runs to July 1st :)

i thought it started on 1st?

[vartan]

i thought it started on 1st?

Runs all through the month of July 2009.

[IrishHitman]

There seems to be a severe lack of Maks.

That'll have to be fixed.

[Fluvius Camillus]

There seems to be a severe lack of Maks.

That'll have to be fixed.

I havent seen you in the forums for a looong time!

Still remember our lengthy Mak - Roman battle? If you still want revenge you probably have to face the AS this time!

~Fluvius

[antisocialmunky]

Getai will back you up :-p if oyu go against AS.

[JinandJuice]

AS will back you up if you're going against Roma and Getai

[antisocialmunky]

Go away fake Makedonian :-p.

BTW- I have a final version of that banner with the AS logo.