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    I snagged those VnVs from events.txt and changes.txt. ...
    Indeed it's underlined on the site. Sorry that I fail to mention it here.

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    Just because they are present in those files doesn't necessarily mean they can be triggered in the game. ...
    Was just hopint that someone might have encountered one of the those in unusual circumstances ... Like "Frugal" and the like if you have a negative treasury for X turns, "autocrat" if you remove and assign titles a bit too often and stuff like that ...

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    MTW virtues and vices, one of the last great mysteries of the game...
    Unless if we manage to find the guy of realised that part of the game, we'll probably remain in the dark forever. At least, we can keep on discussing how a king can become a legendary leader for a while

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    Was just hopint that someone might have encountered one of the those in unusual circumstances ... Like "Frugal" and the like if you have a negative treasury for X turns, "autocrat" if you remove and assign titles a bit too often and stuff like that ...
    If you know how some of these VnVs are triggered, please do expand. I usually don't pay too much attention during the game to this stuff, and the wiki page is lacking that information because of it.
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    If you know how some of these VnVs are triggered, please do expand. I usually don't pay too much attention during the game to this stuff, and the wiki page is lacking that information because of it.
    With respect to the possible explanation to which I refer in my previous post, I was just making it up. I have seen any of those vv appear except with historical heroes so that I do not have a clue about how they could be triggered. My guess is that the developers created those but had no time to activate all of them. I will only believe that they are active once somebody has posted a screenshot and explained how to get them. For other VV, I would say that most of them appear on a rand basis except for the ones such as good attacker and the like, retreats often, vacillator,not so bold, good runner, the ones triggered by the killing of prisoners, the killing or release of rebels. I am pretty sure that the killer instinct vv can be acquired but I am not sure what exact event trigger it. I have had a few general killed by a charge by the enemy general (if not by the charge at least very quickly) and in such cases I have seen the enemy general get the killer instinc VV after the battle. If I am sure that the AI general had not that vv when the battle started I can only try to guess the cause.
    What I know on this topic is thus far from shedding any new light on the matter but if that helps you out I can try to suggest a few addition to the list of causes mentioned in the current list.
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    Many of the v&v's are triggered by empire size. How the rest of them work requires testing, and quite difficult to test properly as there are many factors in the game. I would love to do more of the MTW:Mythbuster stuff but RL is *very* buzy at the moment. Unfortunately

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    I went though the lits of VV and completed as well as I could. You will find the end result attached.
    Just did it from memory so that I might have made errors and forgotten a few things.
    Please note that the V&V system was a bit different in the vanilla version (princes could appear with the "good runners" and become cowards without doing anything) and that thist list applies to the final official version of the game.
    Did not try to edit the wiki page as I am sure I would just ruin it all ....
    Hope it helps,
    Last edited by Jxrc; 09-02-2009 at 17:04.

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    Excellent, thanks for that!
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    No problem. By the way, I also have the document in Word format if that makes things easier for you ...

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