Ah, an interesting but none the less fallacious argument. If your immortal soul concerns me (and it should) then your beliefs, and your reasons for holding them should concern me as well.
Oh, and regarding the Anglo-Saxon King's genaeology, it also goes back to Woden and Brutus at various points, both of which are nonsense. Also, the medieval monks would naturally try to make a connection to Adam, that doesn't make the genaeology correct.
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Just to clarify:
Religion teaches us truths about ourselves and science teaches us truths about the universe. These are two parallel paths, one to greater wisdom and the other to greater knowledge that never cross. I cannot scribble an equation on a blackboard that will explain conclusively why I believe I will love my wife only, for the rest of my life. However, I know that I can do this for the relation of energy to matter (one of the few equations that everyone knows). Thus, belief and science should not be blurred. The problem is when a belief has a set of truths and science has a different set of truths. Now, no scientist has ever asked for a grant to disprove anything in the Bible. It just happens. Still, people of religion seem compelled to “discuss” science that conflicts with their belief.
Our science can explain the universe we observe back for 13.7 billion years to a point where it was less than one million, million, million, million, million, million, millionth of a second old, actually. The science really works and is constantly tested and checked. We really can know this.
Then, the universe was smaller than a proton. At this scale things just happen. The science that governs small things, Quantum Mechanics, describes how tiny particles and anti-particles come into being all the time, borrow energy from the fabric of space time and then recombine returning the energy. This makes space time elastic in that it can lose and regain energy, only to return to zero like a wave function. General Relativity, the science of really large things, tells us how gravity bends, twists and drags space time, especially around black holes. The sort of anti-force to gravity is Dark Energy. Quantum Mechanics tells us how DE stretches space time. So the tiny speck of space time that existed at that first fraction of a second has been molded by gravity and DE over the eons into the universe we see today.
So what happened at time equal to zero (t=0)? We don’t have a science to describe what happens at the tremendous energy level of t=0. People who complain that the universe cannot come from nothing because it violates such and such law of whatever science always miss the truth. As I explained above, we don’t use General Relativity to describe how really small things behave because GR’s laws won’t work. We have a different science with different rules for that (Quantum Mechanics). The rules of Thermal Dynamics don’t apply to the universe at t=0 any more than the rules of soccer do. Besides, it’s possible that all the matter and energy in the universe combines with its own gravity to equal out to zero, so you may get everything from nothing.
Now as to evolution and entropy, entropy states that everything becomes more disordered with time. So how can beautifully complex life forms come from a bunch of atoms? Watches do not simply assemble from a box of parts and complex systems do not simply arise because this would be an increase in order. This is a common misconception of the real science actually.
Imagine oxygen atoms bouncing around in one half of a box and nitrogen atoms on the other side of a divider in the box. Everything is well ordered. Now you remove the divider and the two groups of atoms bounce around until they are all mixed up. This is obviously less ordered. The laws of entropy are good. Well not only do you get oxygen and nitrogen atoms intermingling, you get them combining into nitrous oxide! However, this does not violate the entropy laws as it is actually greater disorder. It’s like washing a bunch of red and blue socks in hot water and getting them all mixed in together, then you find a few green socks where the dye faded, too.
This works no matter how many different atoms get mixed in. You get ever more disordered combinations of atoms, called molecules. Eventually, you get molecules that can replicate, which again is just a new level of disorder for the molecules. DNA molecules are quite simply disordered atoms combined into molecules that replicate, and the laws of entropy support this.
Last edited by Agent Miles; 10-15-2009 at 18:43.
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