The Questions of How and Why

[Vladimir]

I didn't state that belief makes one immune to corruption but that without it, corruption will occur.

Communism eh? We'll it's not so much a belief system as a form of government, no? Although it does require a great leap of faith.

[LittleGrizzly]

I didn't state that belief makes one immune to corruption but that without it, corruption will occur.

Without any religious or spiritual belief corruption is a certainty ?

You seem rather intolerant of those without belief

[Viking]

Believing in a higher power and that there are things more important than ourselves is a good thing. Forgetting that leads to selfishness and base corruption.

This has nothing to with faith/spirituality. The greater good may be perceived as nothing else than social interaction - social versus anti-social behaviour. Successful social interaction is rewarding and is thus sought for - which is kind of logic, given the social specie that humans are.

There's also the wonderful relativity. Hitler might have been true to his principles; but if the principles are rotten, then what is a measure of corruption worth? Furthermore, mr. Hitler did without a doubt believe in something greater than himself; something which we see implies nearly nothing at all about ethics. Lastly, we should not forget the gods whom require human blood.

[Tribesman]

You talking about me tribesey?

Do you have a persecution complex?

Navaros became a Muslim?

he appeared to work his way through the various Christian and Jewish texts then seemed to settle with the Islamic texts and expressed his approval of the more extreme fundamentalist interpretations.
Perhaps he has got new taste now , maybe he is a fundamentalist mormon or has embraced the full pirate regalia version of Pastafari

[Rhyfelwyr]

Do you have a persecution complex?

Haha, I think I do.

[LittleGrizzly]

Navaros was a legend, I think Tribesy nominated a few times for the backroom (or it might have been funniest member) award. Would have never thought he would have converted!

[Vladimir]

I think the main problem is not religion or relgious people, neither is it people of no religion. The problem seems to arise most when we get people making very contentious posts and displaying that they have very little understanding of the subject they are introducing and no understanding at all of the position they are taking on the subject.
The recent examples demonstrate it well, we have someone that used to post very contraversial topics and claim to be a religious person of what can only be described as an extremist fundamentalist flavour yet displayed an almost total ignorance of the religion they claimed they had. After a long absence from the backroom forum they are again posting the same stuff and still displaying that they have no knowledge of the religion they claim to have.
If you look at the wealth of topics there have been on religion and religious issues they are normally not only very informative but also very civil.
So it seems the problem really lies with those who like to shout out about their "religion" in an inappropriate manner while displaying total ignorance of their own religion.

I suppose one case that doesn't quite fit there would be Navaros.
He went from fundamentalist King James Version is the only translation person to a torah submissive, then a gnostic with a touch of anti canonical , then threw in a bit of kabbala before coming onto being a Muslim, then he left us after getting a real taste for the fundamentalist wahhibi flavour.

Wow. I feel kinda honored by getting a response like this from Tribesman.

Navaros became a Muslim? Am I the only person that still knows little of this legendary/mythical character? I remember him once talking about fruit flies, but that's the only time I've seen him.

He is truly a legend. There is a theory that he is the backroomer (shroomer?) with an almost divinely developed sense of humor.

[Tribesman]

I think the main problem is not religion or relgious people, neither is it people of no religion. The problem seems to arise most when we get people making very contentious posts and displaying that they have very little understanding of the subject they are introducing and no understanding at all of the position they are taking on the subject.
The recent examples demonstrate it well, we have someone that used to post very contraversial topics and claim to be a religious person of what can only be described as an extremist fundamentalist flavour yet displayed an almost total ignorance of the religion they claimed they had. After a long absence from the backroom forum they are again posting the same stuff and still displaying that they have no knowledge of the religion they claim to have.
If you look at the wealth of topics there have been on religion and religious issues they are normally not only very informative but also very civil.
So it seems the problem really lies with those who like to shout out about their "religion" in an inappropriate manner while displaying total ignorance of their own religion.

I suppose one case that doesn't quite fit there would be Navaros.
He went from fundamentalist King James Version is the only translation person to a torah submissive, then a gnostic with a touch of anti canonical , then threw in a bit of kabbala before coming onto being a Muslim, then he left us after getting a real taste for the fundamentalist wahhibi flavour.

[Rhyfelwyr]

You talking about me tribesey?

I suppose one case that doesn't quite fit there would be Navaros.
He went from fundamentalist King James Version is the only translation person to a torah submissive, then a gnostic with a touch of anti canonical , then threw in a bit of kabbala before coming onto being a Muslim, then he left us after getting a real taste for the fundamentalist wahhibi flavour.

Navaros became a Muslim? Am I the only person that still knows little of this legendary/mythical character? I remember him once talking about fruit flies, but that's the only time I've seen him.