The New World Order...

**Strike For The South** · 10-22-2009, 03:23

I didn't have time to read any of it.

Jews or freemasons?

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-22-2009, 03:25

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I didn't have time to read any of it.

Jews or freemasons?

Now that is a cultivated mind if I have ever seen one.

Thank you for your time though

**Strike For The South** · 10-22-2009, 03:31

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Now that is a cultivated mind if I have ever seen one.

Thank you for your time though

Oh my GAWD. If you people put half the effort into your meatballs that you do into being drama queens, you may be able to keep up with the Italians.

I, for one, will only accept that the state has full insight into my life, if I get full insight to the state.

Which will never happen, so all we can do is question everything, drag our feet, and live our lives.

Happy?

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-22-2009, 03:40

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Happy?

Not really happy, no.

I do get your point however.

But then, wouldn't it be reasonable to, well, be able to have the same insight to the state, as the state has to you. Or reversible, claim that the state should not have more insight into your private life as you have to the state.

I have no problem with the state keeping secrets from me, if I am allowed to let my private life be a secret from the state.

(as to where freemasons and jews comes into this, I am still clueless).

**Strike For The South** · 10-22-2009, 03:48

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Not really happy, no.

I do get your point however.

But then, wouldn't it be reasonable to, well, be able to have the same insight to the state, as the state has to you. Or reversible, claim that the state should not have more insight into your private life as you have to the state.

I have no problem with the state keeping secrets from me, if I am allowed to let my private life be a secret from the state.

(as to where freemasons and jews comes into this, I am still clueless).

We can claim it but it won't happen. Idealism, unfortunatley never works.

Neither would I but human history contradicts what you're saying.

You're a big boy, If you can figure out what Jews & Free masons have to do with this thread I'll make you a Texan

**Megas Methuselah** · 10-22-2009, 04:18

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

You're a big boy, If you can figure out what Jews & Free masons have to do with this thread I'll make you a Texan

Something about Templars and Mohawk Warriors pops up.

**ajaxfetish** · 10-22-2009, 05:06

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I have no problem with the state keeping secrets from me, if I am allowed to let my private life be a secret from the state.

The classic idea of America. Limit the government's power as much as possible (since they can't really be trusted) and maintain individual freedom and privacy.

Unfortunately, the federal government has been steadily increasing its powers since the beginning, and small government is now more of a whimsical dream than something we might actually experience; and along with that increase in governmental power come attempts to decrease individual rights and privacy, such as the Patriot Act. I didn't really have you pegged as someone who favored the American dream, Kadagar.

Ajax

**Major Robert Dump** · 10-22-2009, 06:00

I thought this thread was about the band.

**Brenus** · 10-22-2009, 06:56

Well, the fact is every body have things to hind, but they pretend that they haven’t. “If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to fear” is one of these sentences full of wind but quite efficient to shut-up people. I have things I don’t want people to know. Nothing illegal, but things I am not proud of. The sorts of things that make me blush of shame/remorse/whatever bad feeling when I remember.

So, yes, all the governments jumped on the US wagon about terrorism to take some liberties with our freedom. But, hey, it is to protect as against potential attack.
The very sad thing is: In London, after the bombs in the Tube and buses, people took bicycle to go to work: 2 years after the increase of death by road accident for cyclist had over take the number of dead due to the bombing campaign…
I think the government should ban bicycles, or cars, or both…

**Subotan** · 10-22-2009, 10:42

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I didn't have time to read any of it.

Jews or freemasons?

Neither, it's the Jewmasons.

**Vladimir** · 10-22-2009, 13:08

Originally Posted by Subotan

Neither, it's the Jewmasons.

This.

But no really, what are you trying to say? You don't know. Your post goes from OMG WTF no WMD to conspiracy theories about echelon to 1984. You have three separate threads in your OP. Consolidate your thoughts and try again.

**Beskar** · 10-22-2009, 13:39

New World Order is actually has many meanings.

In academics, it either means possible United Nations style lead world or an Washington led world.

In backrooms on forums, it means giant bearded octosquids controlling everything.

Which do you want to discuss?

**Vladimir** · 10-22-2009, 13:49

Originally Posted by Beskar

New World Order is actually has many meanings.

In academics, it either means possible United Nations style lead world or an Washington led world.

In backrooms on forums, it means giant bearded octosquids controlling everything.

Which do you want to discuss?

Octisquids, duh. Who's side are you on?

**Subotan** · 10-22-2009, 13:54

I, for one, welcome our new octosquid overlords.

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-22-2009, 15:06

ajaxfetish, I completely agree with the civilian part of the american dream (albeit not with the economical part, but that is another issue).

Only, I can not really see America as some beacon of light lately.

From where I am, I would think Americans would be the strongest opposers to a states attempt to control its citizens. But that just has not happened, has it?

Brenus,

Well, the fact is every body have things to hind, but they pretend that they haven’t. “If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to fear” is one of these sentences full of wind but quite efficient to shut-up people. I have things I don’t want people to know. Nothing illegal, but things I am not proud of. The sorts of things that make me blush of shame/remorse/whatever bad feeling when I remember.

I very much agree.

And as you say, everybody has things to hide. And it does not have to be illegal stuff.

I just want my sphere of existence where I am untroubbled by the state. And, I do have it now. My problem is that for every year, lately, this sphere gets smaller and smaller. I don't think things are out of hand where I live now, however, one must decide where to say "enough is enough".

Laws can turn dictatorial very fast in the hands of teh wrong people. I just don't want to sit 40 years from now and try to explain to my grandchildren why we did nothing.

Vladimir,

But no really, what are you trying to say? You don't know. Your post goes from OMG WTF no WMD to conspiracy theories about echelon to 1984. You have three separate threads in your OP. Consolidate your thoughts and try again.

My example of Iraq and Afghanistan was to show subdued the western minds has been lately. War used to mean something, now we cant very clearly explain why we are actualy fighting.

And to top it all off, these pseudo-wars are an excuse to change laws and such because of fear. Fear of what? I am not sure of this, but I think more got changed from these pseudo-wars, than, say, WWII.

Echelon... isn't really a conspiracy theory mate. You might want to look into it. Now we have our own version of Echelon in Sweden too, yey!

So no, it is not really 3 different topics. It's one.

Beskar, With "new world order" I meant just, well, the new order the world has. I mean how the world has changed lately...

From my own perspective, I wont sign theories of a octosquid invasion quite yet.

**Vladimir** · 10-22-2009, 15:24

Western minds lately? How old are you? It's not that I'm faulting your age but you remind me of a lieutenant that uses the phrase "in my experience..." (or a private that says "I think..." but whatever). If anything, these wars have increased awareness of the world and the effects of war. How many people (in the U.S.) knew where Afghanistan was before 2001? How many people are getting a reality check on war after our shocking success in 1991? I do know about Echelon, and the conspiracy theories surrounding it. I also know something about technology and perceptions. The latter of which takes a lot of time to learn and can never be fully understood.

So, no, this "New World Order" is nothing to worry about. The phrase itself is old and a bit of a joke; and like quantum physics, the "order" is a state of constant disorder.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-23-2009, 12:17

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I didn't have time to read any of it.

Jews or freemasons?

Nobody needs as few words to make me laugh as much.

You're still to hilarity what KukriKhan is to cool: simply in a class of your own.

**Vladimir** · 10-23-2009, 12:59

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Nobody needs as few words to make me laugh as much.

You're still to hilarity what KukriKhan is to cool: simply in a class of your own.

There is no surer sign of the New World Order and the End Times than an, uncomfortably close, relationship between a Frenchman and a Texan. Oh yes, the lamb laying down with the lion.

**Beskar** · 10-23-2009, 19:46

Well, you can be Jewish and a Freemason. So they do exist.

**drone** · 10-23-2009, 20:12

Originally Posted by Beskar

Well, you can be Jewish and a Freemason. So they do exist.

Yes, and the Jewmasons control the Freemasons.

**Vladimir** · 10-23-2009, 21:01

Originally Posted by drone

Yes, and the Jewmasons control the Freemasons.

So, is there a real difference between the two then?

**Subotan** · 10-23-2009, 21:11

Originally Posted by drone

Yes, and the Jewmasons control the Freemasons.

And the Jewmasons are controlled by the New World Order.
Who in turn are controlled by the Reptillians.
Whilst they are only mere puppets of the Illuminati.
But the elite members of the Illuminati meet in the Bilderberg Group.
And they're helpless in the face of the Time Cube.
And everyone in the know knows that that is controlled by the Freemasons!