The Red Phoenix [Concluded]

[Beskar]

The bolded sentence doesn't fit in there unless the previous sentence describes the rumors.... what did you cut immediately before it?

Nothing. I didn't need to cut anything out. That is the role and exact write-up Jolt sent me. I could obviously screenshot it, but the rules forbid that. :shurg:

If you want to tell the host he did a bad role PM, go ahead. I haven't touched it.

It could be a reference to the openng post which talked about rumours.

The memos were written with very aggressive, borderline mutinous, and erudite language, which made it seem like it was written by one of the more intelligent men. This gave way to rumors as to who was writing the circulating papers. Of course, the soldierly, began pointing fingers at the original staff, that they were dissatisfied with the importance that the Prime-Minister was giving a newcomer, and that they were becoming mutinous.

[Yaropolk]

Maybe - my PM is very similar to yours and contains that line, but it explicitly says that I'm rumored to be upset with Cao Cao for accepting the newcomer. I believe your PM is legitemate.

I didn't realize we had such a detailed outline provided to us by Jolt, all that stuff I wrote was from unrelated sources. So Jolt explicitly mentions Xu Shu and Pang Tong in his first writeup. That leads me to believe Sima Yi (Sprig) + the other guy are a second mafia unrelated to PT & XS. So.....scratch what I said about Jooray and ATPG being innocent for killing Khaan.

I'll still happily vote off a lurker (Subotan), but now my list of innocents is down to FH and Beskar.

FH - what leads you to believe AVSM is innocent?

[A Very Super Market]

Why not? I have voted correctly like a good little townie based on both mafioso.

If it shall please you, I am the great Cao Ren.

[Jolt]

I should inform you guys that I am under a lot of stress due to a bucketload of essays I have to do in several days. On account of that, I forgot to check who missed two votes in a row.

As such, I can inform you guys that Subotan's non-WoG is not on account of him having a role or not (I have threatened in the beginning people with important roles), but because I forgot. Regardless of that, if he doesn't vote this Day, I will WoG him. Also, make no mistake, I will lynch Townies, Pro-Town and Mafia alike if they fail to vote twice in a row.

[Yaropolk]

I should inform you guys that I am under a lot of stress due to a bucketload of essays I have to do in several days. On account of that, I forgot to check who missed two votes in a row.

As such, I can inform you guys that Subotan's non-WoG is not on account of him having a role or not (I have threatened in the beginning people with important roles), but because I forgot. Regardless of that, if he doesn't vote this Day, I will WoG him. Also, make no mistake, I will lynch Townies, Pro-Town and Mafia alike if they fail to vote twice in a row.

In that case, Unvote: Subotan, Vote: ATPG

There have clearly been 2 discreet group of night killers. One was Pang Tong + Xu Shu
The other was Sima Yi + his partner.
This is clearly seen, and yet ATPG denies the simple logic.

[Beskar]

Going to vote: Sabotan till I read the arguments tomorrow as I am going to bed now and if i don't vote (if deadline is tomorrow), I will get WoG'd.

[Yaropolk]

Tally:

Subotan 3 (ATPG, Jooray, Beskar)
ATPG 1 (Yaro)

[Askthepizzaguy]

In that case, Unvote: Subotan, Vote: ATPG

There have clearly been 2 discreet group of night killers. One was Pang Tong + Xu Shu
The other was Sima Yi + his partner.
This is clearly seen, and yet ATPG denies the simple logic.

One mafia family is dead. Yet I was attacked.


WHERE'S YOUR SIMPLE LOGIC NOW?????

[atheotes]

i wish i was still alive

[Death is yonder]

i wish i was still alive

So do I

LYNCH ME LYNCH ME LYNCH ME LYNCH ME LYNCH ME.

You'll won't regret it, I promise. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

[A Very Super Market]

Hodge-podge. I won't be up for the rest of the voting block, while Subotan will be nice and cheery in Britain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it speaks to my innocence that I couldn't even recall whether there's one mafia or two in this game. My bad, horrible defense wouldn't exist if I knew what the heck was going on. I thought this was a simple, basic game. I thought we were done when we lynched not just 2 known mafia, but Sprig, who was involved in night attacks even though he was also a detective or something.

I have no idea how many bad guys are in this game, I have no idea why they'd have detective abilities, and I am completely lost on this story, I don't know who the heck these people are... I know better than to sign up as a reserve player in games where I'm going to be distracted by other games.

I thought it was a good point that the mafia seem to want me dead. I thought it was a good point that I claimed detective to make myself a target, and if it weren't for factionheir defending me, I would be dead right now.

That makes no sense if I were mafia. Not even in the risky, gambit sense. It's boneheaded stupid as I said earlier. I apologize if I wasn't aware there were 2 separate mafia families... I'm sorry. Doesn't make me guilty in the slightest. I think there's ample reasons not to lynch me, and I'm not articulating them very well, but the reasons are very convincing, or they would be if I were able to point them out without sounding like an ass.

I don't have a good lead, I don't have a good suspect, and I'd rather a lurker (who is active elsewhere) die if he's not even going to try to lynch the mafia. Maybe he will get wogged! Maybe he's not the best lynch.

But I guarantee you this much; I am a far worse lynch.

[atheotes]

So do I

you killed me

even though i am dead i am enjoying this game.

[Yaropolk]

As such, I can inform you guys that Subotan's non-WoG is not on account of him having a role or not (I have threatened in the beginning people with important roles), but because I forgot. Regardless of that, if he doesn't vote this Day, I will WoG him. Also, make no mistake, I will lynch Townies, Pro-Town and Mafia alike if they fail to vote twice in a row.

The host just told us that Subotan has not been sending in orders at night and will be WoG'd tonight! You're throwing your votes away.

[Sprig]

Maybe - my PM is very similar to yours and contains that line, but it explicitly says that I'm rumored to be upset with Cao Cao for accepting the newcomer. I believe your PM is legitemate.

I didn't realize we had such a detailed outline provided to us by Jolt, all that stuff I wrote was from unrelated sources. So Jolt explicitly mentions Xu Shu and Pang Tong in his first writeup. That leads me to believe Sima Yi (Sprig) + the other guy are a second mafia unrelated to PT & XS. So.....scratch what I said about Jooray and ATPG being innocent for killing Khaan.

I'll still happily vote off a lurker (Subotan), but now my list of innocents is down to FH and Beskar.

FH - what leads you to believe AVSM is innocent?

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

[Yaropolk]

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

Sprig - since you were lynched, we've only seen 1 person go after FH - how do you explain that?

[Sprig]

Sprig - since you were lynched, we've only seen 1 person go after FH - how do you explain that?

You're well aware why - you sneaky man you. Why attack with two people when you can attack with one. It also gives the nice illusion of there only being one left.

Sorry to dispel any cover you were hoping to make.

[Beskar]

But why would two people attack one person all game, and not seperate people, also, how did Factionheir be able to defend from two seperate attackers, usually, protection can only save you from one of them.

However, in Jolt's write-up, there is this.

Executed (5):
Centurion1 - Mao Jie
Yaseikhaan - Xu Shu
Paulus Tertius - Xun Yu
Death is Yonder - Pang Tong
Sprig - Sima Yi

Assassinated (2):
Diana Abnoba - Xiahou Dun
atheotes - Jia Xu

Both YaseiKhaan and DIY were the two Mafia in the beginning. Also, Jolt labelled the both of those with red font. While Sprig argument by FactionHeir seemed convincing, Jolt never red fonted Sprig's name. Does that mean Sprig was actually a Mafia? Also, since the two Mafia which were called the Mafia dead, who could it be?

Luckily, there is a possible explanation. On page 8 by Paulus Tertius.

I never had the intent of going mafia - even if I would have fulfilled the requirements.

This suggests the possibility of Emergent Mafia based on a set of conditions. however, if Sprig was an emergent mafia, wouldn't his name be redded by Jolt? (so in short, a question to the Host, are all the Mafia got red-fonted when they died?)

Another issue of this, I will say to Yaropolk. You pulled out incidences of people which looked scummy at the beginning (including myself) and you said about Khaan. Emergent Mafia (at a guess) may or maynot even be related to those Mafia or be akin to Serial Killers/Emergent Serial Killers. So looking at who voted who at the beginning would be redunant, as if it is emergent mafia, they wouldn't have tried to save Khaan or DIY, as they wouldn't even be on the same side of them.

This also draws into a more serious and scary point. If it is emergent Mafia, then everyone who we pretty much think is innocent, could not be. Though, I think I can give FactionHeir benefit of the doubt, as they keep trying to attack him, but still, your argument for example AVSM saying you was a good townie and voted them off, actually means nothing, as it is possible you were never on the same side anyway.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG:
My reasoning that you aren't cleared is that you were attacked by mafia gang 1. Not attacked since emergence of gang 2, and you seemed to be working closely with Sprig.

I imagine emergent mafia know of each other in any case as otherwise Sprig and his partner wouldn't have been able to make a joint attack (writeup clearly indicates joint), unless of course both attackers are very active players.

Regarding reddening of names, I imagine its Jolt's oversight - re: WoG.

vote: ATPG

since Subotan will be WoGed anyway...

I guess Joooray is next if that doesn't stop the attacks.

[Jolt]

This suggests the possibility of Emergent Mafia based on a set of conditions. however, if Sprig was an emergent mafia, wouldn't his name be redded by Jolt? (so in short, a question to the Host, are all the Mafia got red-fonted when they died?)

I redded both Mafiosi at the request of Diana, who was having trouble following who was innocent or not. As I said, I only redded both mafiosi who are publicly known to be that way through the intro. Other mafiosi, whether alive or dead, emergent or not will not be redded. It is up to the players to find out who is/are mafiosi besides the public two.

[atheotes]

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

arent you dead? i am not sure how much you are allowed to talk.