Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
I'm not saying he went shooting because he was Muslim. I think it was a factor, but probably not the biggest one, which was likely that he was a coward.

And I'm not talking about people calling the 'He's said Allah, he went on Jihad!' approach simplistic (I think it is simplistic); I'm talking about people saying what I quoted of Andres. You know, the people saying 'Why bother looking at motivations?' Would they be saying that if it were clear Islam was not a factor at all? That's my point.
Yes. A lot of the thread is just arguing between people who feel that islam is given a pass by the media and people who are worried about xenophobia. That's why people are over or under emphasizing his religion.

Some situations call for scrapping the prearranged schedule. And I don't think the writer of the article cares about the term 'shout-out'; it's the light hearted manner in which Obama begins his remarks. He opened up a speech where he talks about 12 soldiers being murdered with a 'shout out'.

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Oh, but the guy who wrote that article is an idiot, and this reminds me of all that "he sat and read a childrens book!!!" stuff they said about bush.

He didn't seem light hearted to me. And the speech was about something entirely different and was written previously. The audience wasn't there for a speech about ft hood, they had another issue which was presumable very important. He thanked them for having him and acknowledged them and then said his bit about the shootings.

Objecting to "shout out" is old fashioned...same as objecting to fist bump.