Preventing joycamptours - a piece of advice for mods

[Cronos Impera]

Please keep modern history threads out of the Monastery, they are Backroom stuff.

Modern history (1900-2010) is just too modern (our gradfathers have lived through the better part of it). Please keeps those threads (WW2,WW1,VIETMAN,OBAMA OUT OF THE MONASTERY as 99% of it is obviously biased and some otherwise balloon-worthy Orgahs will start writewars, textual-assaults or some nastier stuff because they have lived through the period or their parents had nasty experiences <<< that's the reason I sometimes post anti-semitic stuff when provoked by a WW2 thread>>)

Long-Term Benefits:

1) you keep objectivity in the Monastery (no more biased content or passionate arguments)
2) Orgahs can focus on safer periods (Antiquity, Middle Ages, Early Colonial Age,Pirate Age)
3) A friendlier enviroment for everyone by a simple taboo (everyone here has had a disturbing experience but seeing poping threads like "OMG, X ware persecuted in 19XX, how nasty ware those Y" is simply too insulting for some members
4) Allow our grand-grandchildren to delve into the Modern Age History

A taboo to protect them all, a taboo to heal all wounds.Leave modern history out of the public fora like you keep your dirty underwear in a closet, despite citing numerous "historical" or "archeological" sources for the modern period.
The benefit of filling the fora with threads is outweighted by a friendlier interface. Like you don't start threads like "How old's your grandfather"

[edyzmedieval]

Why in the world would you want to keep out WWII, WWI, Berlin Wall, Communism and such out of the Monastery?

And move it into the Backroom?!?!

[Whacker]

Hey Tosa, let me tell you how to run this site. First,

[TinCow]

Modern history (1900-2010) is just too modern (our gradfathers have lived through the better part of it). Please keeps those threads (WW2,WW1,VIETMAN,OBAMA OUT OF THE MONASTERY as 99% of it is obviously biased and some otherwise balloon-worthy Orgahs will start writewars, textual-assaults or some nastier stuff because they have lived through the period or their parents had nasty experiences <<< that's the reason I sometimes post anti-semitic stuff when provoked by a WW2 thread>>)

Orgahs have lived through WWI and WWII? I know we have a mature population here, but I suspect you overestimate how mature. In any case, speaking as a history major who wrote an honors thesis on WWII, I think we are sufficiently removed from the events to begin talking about it in an objective manner. Objectivity over WWII in historical circles began to appear after AJP Taylor's publication of Origins of the Second World War in 1961. Since that was 48 years ago, I think we're capable of having causal conversations on the subject.

In any case, I find your excuse that someone else is to blame for your own anti-semitism to be extremely questionable. If you're a bigot, at least have the courage to take responsibility for it.

[Hooahguy]

no excuse for anti-semitism. ever. sorry Coronos, you wont get away with this one.

[Cronos Impera]

As a jew once said:
"Reality depends on which side of the table you are."
When someone comments on Cernovsky Oblast during WW2 or what happened during the early 50's I get a little edgy and post anti-semitic remarks.
When I get an Israel-Palestine thread I'm indifferent to the matter.
When dealing with 272 BC. - 1900, 2008+ Jewish culture I'm pro-Semite.I even watched Hooahguy's Hebrew Learning Social Group.


Just like you had a hostile business relationship at some period in time with somebody and now he is your day-to-day supplier. You simply keep the troubled past in taboo mode.Each keeps his mental framework intact while having a nice cooperation with the partner.But if the other side insists he is right, after having a business meeting.I always do that in RL.


Just read through all my Backroom posts. I simply avoided the WW2 threads,the Palestine-Israel debates.
Hooahguy please see with Banquo. I had only 1 minor infraction on anti-semitic grounds.And that was directed at the banking system..

[Strike For The South]

There was a pirate age?

[TinCow]

When someone comments on Cernovsky Oblast during WW2 or what happened during the early 50's I get a little edgy and post anti-semitic remarks.
When I get an Israel-Palestine thread I'm indifferent to the matter.
When dealing with 272 BC. - 1900, 2008+ Jewish culture I'm pro-Semite.I even watched Hooahguy's Hebrew Learning Social Group.

So what you're saying is that the rest of the forum cannot talk about modern history in the Monastery because you're unable to control your own anti-semitism?

[Cronos Impera]

Yes, you know...with eye-patches, wooden legs, glittering machettes, wooden boats and such. And that is definately cooler than Modern History.

Like 1800 Texas is cooler than 1970's Texas (despide Dallas and Fort Worth).

[Strike For The South]

So what you're saying is that the rest of the forum cannot talk about modern history in the Monastery because you're unable to control your own anti-semitism?

LOL I didn't even see that.

If this gets granted can I motion we dont tall about American history from 1865-1965. Every time I see a black person trying to get rights I foam at the mouth.

Yes, you know...with eye-patches, wooden legs, glittering machettes, wooden boats and such. And that is definately cooler than Modern History.

Like 1800 Texas is cooler than 1970's Texas (despide Dallas and Fort Worth).

Dallas is the east coast of Texas.

[Mithrandir]

There was a pirate age?

Just before the ninja age I think. Which, ofcourse both ended when the camel age started.

edited in quote because there were 3 new posts in between within 5 seconds.

[drone]

I think it would be pretty easy to get nasty/personal in topics about earlier events. Nationalism has a long shelf-life.

The difference between Monastery and Backroom threads should be in their tone.

[Cronos Impera]

TinCow, modern history isn't just history.It's part of our existance. We allready have 1/4 of the XX century covered ourselves. We can't get but emotional and biased in our apraisal of Modern History.

I, myself never keep Modern History articles or read them for such because I'll confront it with the experience of my family and get angry.

Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. The easiest way to prevent hate is to prevent anger and all I can sense in WW2 threads is anger so I get angry and sart to hate.Check the Wermarcht thread in the Monastery...despite the illusion of calm you can still sense anger and hostility.

Could you ask Herodotus for objectivity over the Greek Wars? Not, because he lived through the period.True history is written by living persons about persons long forgotten.

[Mithrandir]

I, myself never keep Modern History articles or read them for such because I'll confront it with the experience of my family and get angry.

Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. .

So why not just stay out of those threads... Yoda..sir

[TinCow]

TinCow, modern history isn't just history.It's part of our existance. We allready have 1/4 of the XX century covered ourselves. We can't get but emotional and biased in our apraisal of Modern History.

I, myself never keep Modern History articles or read them for such because I'll confront it with the experience of my family and get angry.

Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. The easiest way to prevent hate is to prevent anger and all I can sense in WW2 threads is anger so I get angry and sart to hate.Check the Wermarcht thread in the Monastery...despite the illusion of calm you can still sense anger and hostility.

Speak for yourself. I don't get emotional or biased in my appraisal of modern history. Neither do others who are trained in that academic subject, and there are many of them on this forum. It appears to me that the problem is with you, not with modern historical topics. If you are incapable of discussing a topic in a mature and responsible manner, then the proper course of action is for you to refrain from discussing it. I see no reason why those of us who do not experience similar difficulties should be penalized for your own failures of self-control.

[Cronos Impera]

I do.Check my posts in the Monastery. None regarding WW2 or Communism.
But we don't have a ignore thread option and I still can't figure out how to filter threads.
If we could get a Filter installed I think I could drop my request alltogether. Some thread titles just hurt my eyes and antagonise people.
Why can't you have an opposite of the Favorites options (a thread ignore option or such).
So Hooahguy doesn't bump into a Palestine-Israel thread, I don't bump into a WW2 thread,Sarmatian doesn't bump into a Kosovo thread and Mithrandir doesn't bump into a "Desert Ferrari is faster than Camel" thread.Sorry Mithrandir for the profanity.

[Mithrandir]

"Desert Ferrari is faster than Camel" thread.Sorry Mithrandir for the profanity.[/B]

There'd be no discussion possible, that'd just be silly.

[TinCow]

I do.Check my posts in the Monastery. None regarding WW2 or Communism.
But we don't have a ignore thread option and I still can't figure out how to filter threads.
If we could get a Filter installed I think I could drop my request alltogether. Some thread titles just hurt my eyes and antagonise people.
Why can't you have an opposite of the Favorites options (a thread ignore option or such).
So Hooahguy doesn't bump into a Palestine-Israel thread, I don't bump into a WW2 thread,Sarmatian doesn't bump into a Kosovo thread and Mithrandir doesn't bump into a "Desert Ferrari is faster than Camel" thread.Sorry Mithrandir for the profanity.

What you're asking for already exists. Any user can remove any forum from their view in the User CP. Go to:

User CP -> Edit Options -> Scroll down to Forums To Exclude From View -> Highlight whatever forum you do not want to see (i.e. Monastery) -> Hit Save Changes

Ta-da... no more forum.

[Cronos Impera]

Ok, thanks.

[Cronos Impera]

Sorry for the doulbe post but I was just wondering.
Is there any way to create a unified aproach through encoding for the ignore option?
Like having a menu where you could pick members,tags,key words, forums and such from one single pannel?

[Aemilius Paulus]

I agree that communism and Berlin Wall should be in the Backroom, as well as possibly Vietnam, depending on which course the discussion takes, but taking WWII and I to the Backroom is overreacting IMHO.

[Hooahguy]

well, if we are discussing the history of communism, than no, but if we are discussing the ideas of comunism than it should be in the backroom.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Start them in the monastery, if they go political move them to the backroom. Simple.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Start them in the monastery, if they go political move them to the backroom. Simple.

This.

Regarding the anti-semetism, I think what Cronos means is that he is anti-whatever Israel/Jewish people were doing at some point in history. So being against the Nazi's wouldn't make you anti-German, just anti-what was going on in Germany at the time. .

[Aemilius Paulus]

well, if we are discussing the history of communism, than no, but if we are discussing the ideas of comunism than it should be in the backroom.

One inevitably leads to another

[Louis VI the Fat]

Uhm, what Sasaki said. Move threads that get too heated to the Backroom.

speaking as a history major who wrote an honors thesis on WWII

Yet despite this you never pop up in WWII threads.

Too personal? Too low a standard of debate? Too much anger, or too much resignation to bother?

[Louis VI the Fat]

As a jew once said:
"Reality depends on which side of the table you are."
When someone comments on Cernovsky Oblast during WW2 or what happened during the early 50's I get a little edgy and post anti-semitic remarks.

Well time to get a little edgy then! Because if you're up for it let's take this to the Monastary or Backroom, where I'll discuss how Cernovsky Oblast during WWII was the site of mass murder and pogrom by Romania, and you get to convince me otherwise.

[TinCow]

Yet despite this you never pop up in WWII threads.

Too personal? Too low a standard of debate? Too much anger, or too much resignation to bother?

Actually, it's more that I've just read too much on it and it doesn't peak my interest a great deal to debate it anymore. WW2 was my passion for history for so long that I feel like I've learned all I want to learn about it. I've moved on to other areas of research since then.

I read all kinds of random books about all kinds of random aspects of history, but I do find myself getting into 'phases' where I concentrate heavily on one particular bit of history for a few years at a time. After WWII, I shifted to the US Civil War. Then to the Roman Republic/Empire. Then to 17th through 19th Century Europe. I'm currently focusing heavily on medieval European history. My goal is to eventually cover every area of history in every part of the world. I'm not positive where I'm going to go after medieval Europe, but Middle Eastern history seems likely, via the Crusades as a means of transition.

[Cronos Impera]

Well time to get a little edgy then! Because if you're up for it let's take this to the Monastary or Backroom, where I'll discuss how Cernovsky Oblast during WWII was the site of mass murder and pogrom by Romania, and you get to convince me otherwise.

If you want to, you can open it in the Backroom.

Only one of us will win, and return to post again.
"One will be banned.Face me then let the mods decide."


Just a shameless new hit called "Let the mods decide" with a videoclip featuring camels and pirates fighting ninjas.

Just kidding. If you want a Covenanter shower featuring extreme reality and reports about the Oblast and N.Moldova you can post it in the Backroom.We'll see then who is the irrational poster.Only you and me: fallacy filters on.
I've blocked the Monastery from my user panel since the WW2 thread just hurts my spleen.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

I vaguely recall some anger about Alexander the Great. Some Greek (?) people became totally upset about him being portrayed homosexual in the movie. Not sure where I saw this, may have been another board, but wow, to get a flamewar about someones sexual orientation who lived over 2,000 years ago.

It's true however. Recent history is more likely to turn into an ugly discussion. It's sad actually, as new history is written today. So, anything would be ok for the Monastery. It mostly needs a while to settle down though. WW1 and WW2 are clearly history (yet sadly, it's still a very bad living memory for some people). The 60's, 70's and 80's are history too. Any discussion can turn nasty and none can.

The Backroom isn't a FFA pit either.