Why is Rome TW named Rome TW?

[GaiusSchmulus]

I think because the developers didn't know that Rome TW should have been what you've made of it in the first place...

Hello to you European Barbarorum Guys,

I'm here to thank you for endless hours of entertaining gameplay within a context of having a well balanced, if not the most balanced of all mods I've played so far. Since my last computer prevented me from playing your brilliant modification in the past (it wasn't powerful enough and loading took forever), I never had the chance to enjoy that wonderul experience before. I've downloaded EB some copple of weeks ago expecting nothing special, since there are other very fine Mods out there, like SPQR for example. SPQR was my favourit mod for the last copple of years/month and nothing could even remotely push it from it's throne of Olymp...that says, until I've played EB.

I don't know where to start what exactly makes EB such a brilliant mod. But to keep it short, it is the overall balanced, most challenging, best looking and especially bug-free Mod, within a historical correct context I've played so far. In 6 weeks of constant gameplay, I encountered exactly one bug (the one where it ctd's when first starting the game). The modification looks so brilliant, you can really feel all the passion that went into it. It's also a testimony what a team can accomplish, when trying to deliever decent work.

Since SPQR I also thought nothing could top the tactical battles, but you guys proved me wrong. The battles are long lasting, the enemys are challenging and specially the AI is better and more balanced then anything I've expected or seen so far. It's no more like your enemy has the money and you have the brain (well ok, it's still a bit like that). Enemys keep changing their tactics and accommodate to my behaviour, in booth, tactical and strategical behaviour and it's a real pleasure to see the other factions evolve, while struggling to fight me off, and yeah, they do very well.

I'm urging you guys, not to lay down your work on EB(I) and further improve this mod, since I know that any future change you make to this modification, will be brilliant, just as the work before. I would really like to see a 1.3 version, or an official addon pack from your team, since the most additional mods I've tried crashed the game or weren't useable in convergence with other additional mods. I've also tried the big (unofficial) addon pack, but wasn't able to play the game without crashing.

I hope you forgive me the long read and the fact, that this is maybe placed in the wrong section. But since I didn't found a feedback section, I thought to post this here. Thanks for enhancing my game experience and good luck to your future projects...I'm getting back to the game and crush some Barbarians...

[Knight of Heaven]

Well the thing about ctds, i find is good to have a good pc, and in the end the battles wait a few seconds after the song as ended, to leave battle, and the ctds are minimal. Other then that it is just fine. I know EB team is focusing on EB 2 for M2TW engine, but there is a lot of submods for EB 1 ones improve, and change things, less ctd, etc, it is for you to experiment, i myself keep the EB 1.2 with fixes ,and the mini mod for the removal of big trees, and it is all good for me, it is enough. Yes SPQR is also awesome, but it is a diferent context, with diferent gameplay. But i prefer EB overall.

[seienchin]

yeah, I thought so too, but EB has its flaws and length too.
Still awesome work for a modding team.

[vartan]

yeah, I thought so too, but EB has its flaws and length too.
Still awesome work for a modding team.

Let's be frank here, alright. There is no better modification of Rome: Total War than Europa Barbarorum. When Europa Barbarorum II arrives for M2TW, it will be the best mod for that game.

And GaiusSchmulus, warm welcome to the EB community.

-Vartan

[ziegenpeter]

Let's be frank here, alright. There is no better modification of Rome: Total War than Europa Barbarorum. When Europa Barbarorum II arrives for M2TW, it will be the best mod for that game.

Well I guess DoTS will give EB a nice competition...

[GaiusSchmulus]

yeah, I thought so too, but EB has its flaws and length too.

Really. Please enlight me. I didn't found any flaw yet...

Let's be frank here, alright. There is no better modification of Rome: Total War than Europa Barbarorum.

True. Or let's say, I didn't found any better. EB almost leaves no space for further improvements. While most of the big Mods I've played are all made upon the same base, EB is quite unique and refreshingly challenging to play.

Since I never liked playing Medieval 2, I don't see EB 2 becoming that good. Medieval 2 featured some quite annoying gameplay elements and stripped some cool ones that came with Rome.

[Cute Wolf]

Since I never liked playing Medieval 2, I don't see EB 2 becoming that good. Medieval 2 featured some quite annoying gameplay elements and stripped some cool ones that came with Rome.

Bet you:
1. never patch your medieval vanilla game... (dual handed bug and shield bug)
2. not pious enough to get your army march on crusade or jihad (or hate the pope badly)
3. dislike time-based reforms (gunpowder reform and mercenary appearance, in that case)
4. frustated in gaining almost no-charm princess that have a secret love
5. always lose your merchant
6. your family are branded as heretics and burned by the inquisitors
7. your cities burned, your men killed, and your girls raped by the ultra violent very fearsome silver stack mongols
8. never try to invade america and cut aztec's throat
9. never install kingdoms
and much more funny thing about M2TW....

[GaiusSchmulus]

Bet you:
1. never patch your medieval vanilla game... (dual handed bug and shield bug)
2. not pious enough to get your army march on crusade or jihad (or hate the pope badly)
3. dislike time-based reforms (gunpowder reform and mercenary appearance, in that case)
4. frustated in gaining almost no-charm princess that have a secret love
5. always lose your merchant
6. your family are branded as heretics and burned by the inquisitors
7. your cities burned, your men killed, and your girls raped by the ultra violent very fearsome silver stack mongols
8. never try to invade america and cut aztec's throat
9. never install kingdoms
and much more funny thing about M2TW....

I'll bet I:

1. patch any game I start to play
2. was on so many crusades in other games that this truly can't get me hocked up
3. I like reforms, specially the Marius one
4. i'm never frustrated, at the most disappointed
5. don't even ever got that far in the game to lose the merchant
6. won't include my family into game discussions
7. could burn cities, kill men, and rape girls when I evolve the need to go to Afghanistan
8. never go to America at all
9. rather install Democracys

But I'll bet you're:

1. a Medieval 2 "Fanboy" who is disappointed in my opinion to dislike this game, which I played for exactly 3 rounds and could, will and never have a good opinion on

And yeah, if i'm into TW games to create a bloody massacre, I could also play L4D instead...

[applebreath]

Since I never liked playing Medieval 2, I don't see EB 2 becoming that good. Medieval 2 featured some quite annoying gameplay elements and stripped some cool ones that came with Rome.

I don't like M2TW either. Because of it, I wont be buying CA games, unless I need to for a mod. But I don't know why you wouldn't love EB2 even more than EB1. It's the exact same kind of game as EB1 (SAME time period), except with more features and more options to mod (AI can actually be improved upon).

EB2 will have nothing to do with the medieval atmosphere/time period.

-Apple

[GaiusSchmulus]

It's the exact same kind of game as EB1 (SAME time period), except with more features and more options to mod (AI can actually be improved upon).

EB2 will have nothing to do with the medieval atmosphere/time period.

If it's an exact and enhanced copy of EB 1 ported to Medieval 2 Engine, then it is of course much better. But I think they will include (and modifie) much of the new game elements of Medieval 2. Spontanous I could name the Assassin as a bad gameplay element, as I never liked my family members to die (except on the battlefield or by aging).

I'll give EB2 and Medieval 2 a chance, once I completed on playing EB 1. But this can take it's time...

[Knight of Heaven]

I'll bet I:

1. patch any game I start to play
2. was on so many crusades in other games that this truly can't get me hocked up
3. I like reforms, specially the Marius one
4. i'm never frustrated, at the most disappointed
5. don't even ever got that far in the game to lose the merchant
6. won't include my family into game discussions
7. could burn cities, kill men, and rape girls when I evolve the need to go to Afghanistan
8. never go to America at all
9. rather install Democracys

But I'll bet you're:

1. a Medieval 2 "Fanboy" who is disappointed in my opinion to dislike this game, which I played for exactly 3 rounds and could, will and never have a good opinion on

And yeah, if i'm into TW games to create a bloody massacre, I could also play L4D instead...

Please you are now been to farsighted, to not understand what he said. First he wasnt talking about your family, he was taliking about your Family members in the game... second it is obviously that you never played M2TW enough time, to apreciate the game fully, or to understand it and the things he said. if you only play 3 rounds how come you have such a profound opinion on the game. It is natural that people who played m2Tw found your opinion, rubish and lacking in arguments.

M2TW is better game overall then RTW could had been. Of course it has its faults, and it lacks somethings. But it has better AI then RTW, the Battle AI is more smarter, And the Battle engine is also better. The cavalry is way more realistic then RTW for instance. The AI in campaing is WAy better then RTW.

Anyway i prefer RTW becouse i prefer the Historical era, and i think M2tw has a dark enviroment to it. But i think EB2 will be very good, if the spirit, the enviroment of EB1 persist in EB2. Anyway there is good mods for M2tw asweal.

[Cute Wolf]

I'll bet I:

1. patch any game I start to play
2. was on so many crusades in other games that this truly can't get me hocked up
3. I like reforms, specially the Marius one
4. i'm never frustrated, at the most disappointed
5. don't even ever got that far in the game to lose the merchant
6. won't include my family into game discussions
7. could burn cities, kill men, and rape girls when I evolve the need to go to Afghanistan
8. never go to America at all
9. rather install Democracys

But I'll bet you're:

1. a Medieval 2 "Fanboy" who is disappointed in my opinion to dislike this game, which I played for exactly 3 rounds and could, will and never have a good opinion on

And yeah, if i'm into TW games to create a bloody massacre, I could also play L4D instead...

HOLY LULZ! I bold your funny arguments here, so all of us can lol at that!!!
Here's my analysis about you...
3. You never play much to get gunpowder units... let alone trying them in cutom battle at all
5. What? got far? Merchant kills merchants is commonplace in all time! or you never put any sight on your merchants you start with?
6. You think I was refer to your actual family .... .... you really never face any Inquisitors in M2TW? and you claim that you have play it??? Oh.... LOL
9. And where is the Democracys expansion pack for M2TW? I want to buy it NOW!!!

And I was playing RTW, BI, Alex, M2TW, Kingdoms, and Empire... But unlike your prediction, I was "Fanboy" of EB too...

Please you are now been to farsighted, to not understand what he said. First he wasnt talking about your family, he was taliking about your Family members in the game... second it is obviously that you never played M2TW enough time, to apreciate the game fully, or to understand it and the things he said. if you only play 3 rounds how come you have such a profound opinion on the game. It is natural that people who played m2Tw found your opinion, rubish and lacking in arguments.

That's right! and with all those analysis, we could assume that:
GaiusSchmulus NEVER PLAYED MEDIEVAL 2 TOTAL WAR AT ALL

[Ludens]

I strongly suspect that GaiusSchmulus was being flippant when he referred to his real family. In any case: mind the tone, please.

[Cute Wolf]

I strongly suspect that GaiusSchmulus was being flippant when he referred to his real family. In any case: mind the tone, please.

Soory then, but I clearly refers to the M2TW Gameplay.... I means that it was his Family Members on game... As you can feel, when you forgot to gain some religious traits in your families, the Inquisitors will kill them, especially when you have a bad relation with the Pope... that's what many people asked in the citadel about Inquisitors.....

[HunGeneral]

Let's be frank here, alright. There is no better modification of Rome: Total War than Europa Barbarorum.

I suspect youre right. Actually I'm quite sure its true - the only mod which could even get close to it would be RTR:Grand Campaing (at least quessing from what they have done in the form of fate of empires) - but that will take a while to appear...

When Europa Barbarorum II arrives for M2TW, it will be the best mod for that game.

I sure hope your right about that aswell - it wil defineately be the best mod for MedII set in the Classial age. Dominion of the Sword might become the best Medieval themed one - that will need a while to be realeased aswell....

[WinsingtonIII]

Since I never liked playing Medieval 2, I don't see EB 2 becoming that good. Medieval 2 featured some quite annoying gameplay elements and stripped some cool ones that came with Rome.

In all seriousness, to say that EB2 will be worse than EB1 simply because it is on the M2TW platform is simply ridiculous. As far as I can tell, M2TW gives the team, on average, far more to work with in terms of gameplay elements then RTW does. One example off the top of my head is modifiable AI (which is better in vanilla M2TW then it was in vanilla RTW anyways).

I'm certainly NOT a M2TW fanboy, but it makes very little sense to act as if the EB team will not remove or change the annoying features of M2TW when they make EB2, just as they removed or changed the annoying features of RTW... They did it once, why would they not do it this time?

I didn't particularly like RTW before I found EB, but I love EB... Why would this situation be any different?

[Hakomar]

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.
The deaths are constant, so when eventually it displays 50 men, you may think I am going to do so and so, but in reality 10 are through their death animation and you don't know.

[GaiusSchmulus]

@Cute Wolf

You and Knight didn't even figured out, that my response to your over-dramatized post was purely ironical. While Knight made a serious, and true response, all you did was feeling offended and started a drama-post with oversaturated usage of smileys. This knowledge combined with the fact that you seem to like playing with princesses, leads me to not further respond to your questionable posts.

Just to make it clear to you. I'm thinking about games like packages. Inside a package, everything has to match up together. While in Rome-TW, and consequently EB-TW everything matched up and was "feeling" right, Medieval 2 didn't "feeled" correct.
Lining up multiple arguments, about what is fun in Medieval 2, won't change that fact...

In all seriousness, to say that EB2 will be worse than EB1 simply because it is on the M2TW platform is simply ridiculous.

Really? If EB 2 is going to feel like Medieval 2, in all seriousness, I won't play it. It's hard to descripe why Rome TW will always be the better game. And since I don't want to make this thread a fight over which version of TW is better, I don't even start it.

But I agree with you. If they strip the game of all it's bad elements, then EB 2 could be even better. But it needs much more then just a "better" AI to convert me to Medieval 2 engine. Cause let's face the fact, a computer AI is always dumb. There are other arguments to what makes a game good, and what doesn't.

And you shouldn't take the fanboy to serious. There's a reason why I put it in quotes...

@Hakomar

True. The videos where another annyoing feature in Medieval 2. While you're able to turn them off, it's still annoying to do this every time, when one of my spions enters the city etc.

[A Very Super Market]

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.
The deaths are constant, so when eventually it displays 50 men, you may think I am going to do so and so, but in reality 10 are through their death animation and you don't know.

Matter of animation length.

[Knight of Heaven]

True. The videos where another annyoing feature in Medieval 2. While you're able to turn them off, it's still annoying to do this every time, when one of my spions enters the city etc.

ok gaius. But know this you can turn off videos in the preferences so they cant always pop up. Anyway that was a feature i did like in Shogun total war. in medieval not so much, but was enough, i woulnt count that as a negative side of M2TW. I too play more RTW then M2tw. But i Understand the good things about M2tw, that will make Eb2 very good, if well made. Meaning if the "spirit" of EB prevail on Eb2, i wont have any problems with that.
One thing i dont like The AI in RTw, isnt the battle AI, is the campaing. for me it makes a hell of a diference, it is still dumb sometimes, but not as dumb in RTW. and is more easy to mod btw. I hate in Rtw the super factions that create, like the Egyptians, or the selucids, it is very anoying, every campaing i make i obligated to intervine early on egypt or syria, or else i know i wont face later on Pontus, or Arménia, or phartia etc. In M2TW is more ballanced anyway.

About Med2, how will you include the slow-death thing.
I personally hate it, I like to know when my men are dead immediately likein R:TW, not wait a 2-5 second death animations, then find a quarter of my unit is dead.

In rtw isnt immediatly also. I never pay attention to that, and i play alot. EB as that feature also, but never anoyme before.

[WinsingtonIII]

Really? If EB 2 is going to feel like Medieval 2, in all seriousness, I won't play it. It's hard to descripe why Rome TW will always be the better game. And since I don't want to make this thread a fight over which version of TW is better, I don't even start it.

But I agree with you. If they strip the game of all it's bad elements, then EB 2 could be even better. But it needs much more then just a "better" AI to convert me to Medieval 2 engine. Cause let's face the fact, a computer AI is always dumb. There are other arguments to what makes a game good, and what doesn't.

And you shouldn't take the fanboy to serious. There's a reason why I put it in quotes...

I think you should try playing modded M2TW, it's really not bad when it's modded (as long as the mod is good). But what I was trying to say is that frankly I don't think playing EB1 feels all that much like playing RTW, since so many things have been changed, so I don't think playing EB2 will feel anything like playing M2TW, especially since the time period is completely different.

[GaiusSchmulus]

What happened to the funny post of the dobule account guy? Was fun reading it...

However.

I think you should try playing modded M2TW, it's really not bad when it's modded (as long as the mod is good). But what I was trying to say is that frankly I don't think playing EB1 feels all that much like playing RTW, since so many things have been changed, so I don't think playing EB2 will feel anything like playing M2TW, especially since the time period is completely different.

I have installed the AI mod for M2TW, yet I miss the promised positive effect, because the AI is still acting dumb in some cases. I don't understand which differences count for people to name a AI "intelligent", maybe i'm just playing to much online games with other people.

Well, playing EB 1, at least for me, feels much more like playing RTW then M2TW does. M2TW feels totally stuffed up with unnecessary elements. The micromanagement is way to much (almost like in HoI or Galciv 2, which have a very good micromanagmenet), and yet I didn't found any serious mod like EB. The mods in M2TW are all based on minor changes, maybe because people are satisfied with the product as it is.

I think I wait another 2 years for a serious mod and then going to play M2TW.

Hey, and for the Phillipine double account guy, I have 2 more funny sentences.

M2TW plays in Medieval age, it's dark and evil and su§%s a%&. Yeah and people in medieval age where all born losers, yes they where. The only winners in medieval age where thoose living the antique traditions, but the ordinary people, the mob...they where all losers. RTW is much more civilized, as where the people in the antique...

Gooosh...i'm such a loser...

[Cute Wolf]

@GaiusSchumulus
You need to know that if you want to say something bad about the M2TW mod, you should learn first to respect everyone that put their time and work to improve M2TW with that mod, even if they only "improve it soo few that it was unnoticeable", that way, at least you should give suggestions, not plain bad-mouthing to the M2TW engine as a whole. If you have some modding skills, you then should try to help them improve the M2TW, not just talk bad and get no action

[Ludens]

Yes, no badmouthing of other modifications here.

I suspect that, if you find those mods unsatisfying, EB2 is not going to be to your liking either. But do give it a try. The M2:TW engine is more flexible than that of R:TW, and although it does have it annoyances I believe most of those can be worked around. (I don't expect the A.I. to be brilliant, though. There's only so much you can mod about it.)

Anyway, I think this thread has served it purpose so I am going to close it. If you disagree, PM me.

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