By the way, thanks LEN for the tuneup link, that program kicks butt.

I shut everything down on PC, unplug netwrok and try to run a defrag, don't think I have done one in the 2 yrs I had the other PC. 9 hours later, its still only half way.....I tried shutting down all my unecessary processes to speed it up, but maybe its just taking so long because its the first frag