Calling out the mods.

[LeftEyeNine]

You are simply dodging a huge part of the root of the disruption you have caused as a certain group of members, while, interestingly and contradictively, contributing heavily into the mentioned stereotyping by underlining the most disgusting piece of I have ever seen on this board.

Were I the admin, you'd need alternative account creation bots to keep up. Yet you are overflowing with "omg oppressive modz rocking our pink and cuddly worlds !!1" kind of as-old-as-the-interwebz anti-moderation anarchism.

Moderators are supposed to serve the community they moderate, not some semi-sacred, untouchable Decalogue of rules.

The sheer fact that The Org, after all these years, being such a hot-headed as I am, stays as my only bookmark I have not given upon is since the members actually "behave, if not, improve". I was one that could not once.

Members serve their very own community here. Don't push something all over us as if we are being paid for having to brainstorm over "careless laughter and loud pranks coming out of a room clouded with weed smoke". All staff is up there 'cause they somehow manage to enjoy it, ones that don't feel like it simply quit. I absolutely have no idea of what kind of hallucinogen induced imagination of such a "committee of overlords" in your minds.

Beirut had a saying: Be good or be elsewhere. It's as simple as this. If there is a better place with more tolerant moderation staff, I suppose the obvious choice of yours would please both parties.

[Subotan]

Speaking as one of the two mods assigned to the Frontroom, I can assure you that things said in the EB Tavern have not stayed in the EB Tavern,

OK, fine. We won't in future.

and many a personal insult or troll of another member has been justified with, "Oh, we do this all the time in EB Tavern, what's the big deal?"

Really?

As for rules, you'll see we have surprisingly few for a board of this size. Common sense and common courtesy trump all.

The size of a forum has nothing whatsoever in common with the amount or the enforcement of rules.

And I don't see anyone making an argument as to why the social groups should be a private fiefdom where flame wars can rage and offensive content can be trolled. Feel free to make that argument, though.

I haven't seen anyone arguing for that. And you dodged my question.

There are rules.

Yes. I understand that. I am not thick. However, those rules are being overzealously being enforced, in a manner quite similar to this. Rules, made with good intentions, and used correctly the majority of the time, are being used excessively.

If you miscreants push the wrong button, you can expect a reaction... suprise! you got a reaction. It seems that your "normal" activities merely gets you registering on the Org spy satelite, flaunting flaming kitty like a banner begs for a nuclear strike, with a follow up nuke on top of the rubble, just in case..

What.

Are you implying that all of us were "flaunting flaming kitty"? I didn't even know that it had even existed on this forum!

PS act like a grown up when you review your post, proir to posting it (you do do that don't you?) it might save you some grief.

PS Don't descend to being condescending; it becomes very obvious that your argument is so weak that you have to resort to that. Just thought it might save you some grief.

I knew all this group stuff was gonna end in tears. Lay off our mods, gentlemen.

Oh, I have nothing against the mods personally. I would say that the majority of the time they do a great job. But in this instance, disproportionate action was taken.

No one here has insulted the mods or the .org (acin shouldn't count). The general consensus seems to be that the tavern is full of cat-burning potheads filling pages with crispy animals. It's interesting how an isolated event that wasn't approved by taverners in the first place can turn into a stereotype within a single thread. I don't care if anybody tries to limit the admitted profanity going on, but what is the point of villifying us?

You know why that is; they've wanted to get rid of it for a long time and so probably the worst thing that ever appeared there has been presented in such a way as to imply that that was just part of our normal routine.

you guys burned a living kitten with a zippo and make jokes about it...........

that is so sick.

like seriously im disgusted that could be a prison sentence

Oh great, so not only are we all guys who look at pictures of burning kittens, but we actually burn kittens as well. How did you make the mental leap from one guy posting a picture of a burning kitten (That a lot of us never even saw) to that meaning we're all kitten murderers?

You are simply dodging a huge part of the root of the disruption you have caused as a certain group of members, while, interestingly and contradictively, contributing heavily into the mentioned stereotyping by underlining the most disgusting piece of I have ever seen on this board.

So we're just supposed to ignore the false accusations against us?

Were I the admin, you'd need alternative account creation bots to keep up. Yet you are overflowing with "omg oppressive modz rocking our pink and cuddly worlds !!1" kind of as-old-as-the-interwebz anti-moderation anarchism.

Been there, done that. Yawn.

The sheer fact that The Org, after all these years, being such a hot-headed as I am, stays as my only bookmark I have not given upon is since the members actually "behave, if not, improve". I was one that could not once.

Having the EB Tavern exist is hardly going to make the whole place descend into anarchy.

Members serve their very own community here. Don't push something all over us as if we are being paid for having to brainstorm over "careless laughter and loud pranks coming out of a room clouded with weed smoke". All staff is up there 'cause they somehow manage to enjoy it, ones that don't feel like it simply quit.

I am criticising one aspect of your overall approach to modding. That is it. I'm not calling for some kind of revolution.

I absolutely have no idea of what kind of hallucinogen induced imagination of such a "committee of overlords" in your minds.

Are you implying that I abuse hallucinogenics? I've never even seen a joint, let alone smoked one. Stop painting me to be something which I am clearly not.
Also, note the reduction to the "Some of them support changes to drugs policy; therefore, they must all be stoners! Thus, they are stupid" argument.

Beirut had a saying: Be good or be elsewhere. It's as simple as this. If there is a better place with more tolerant moderation staff, I suppose the obvious choice of yours would please both parties.

This is the first instance I have ever seen of a moderator saying "Go away interesting people. You're not wanted here."

The situation is this. I like to be here. It has interesting people here. So do the other EB Tavern members. They like it too. Me and the other EB Tavern members share a similar kind of humour, and we all like each other. So, because we don't want to have to go to another, not interesting forum, we set up a social group where we can be a bit silly. Sometimes we make silly posts in the EB Tavern, sometimes we make serious posts in the EB Tavern, and a lot of the time we make serious posts in the rest of the Org. Because we all have friends who are not in the EB Tavern, we like to stay in the rest of the .Org. Going to a different forum, and "migrating" the EB Tavern is impossible.
There is no obligation to join the EB Tavern. I do not see why people are offended by stuff which is not only rather tame, but that they also do not have to see.

[Subotan]

OK, fine. We won't in future.


Really?


The size of a forum has nothing whatsoever in common with the amount or the enforcement of rules.


I haven't seen anyone arguing for that. And you dodged my question.



Yes. I understand that. I am not thick. However, those rules are being overzealously being enforced, in a manner quite similar to this. Rules, made with good intentions, and used correctly the majority of the time, are being used excessively.


What.

Are you implying that all of us were "flaunting flaming kitty"? I didn't even know that it had even existed on this forum!


PS Don't descend to being condescending; it becomes very obvious that your argument is so weak that you have to resort to that. Just thought it might save you some grief.


Oh, I have nothing against the mods personally. I would say that the majority of the time they do a great job. But in this instance, disproportionate action was taken.


You know why that is; they've wanted to get rid of it for a long time and so probably the worst thing that ever appeared there has been presented in such a way as to imply that that was just part of our normal routine.


Oh great, so not only are we all guys who look at pictures of burning kittens, but we actually burn kittens as well. How did you make the mental leap from one guy posting a picture of a burning kitten (That a lot of us never even saw) to that meaning we're all kitten murderers?


So we're just supposed to ignore the false accusations against us?


Been there, done that. Yawn.


Having the EB Tavern exist is hardly going to make the whole place descend into anarchy.


I am criticising one aspect of your overall approach to modding. That is it. I'm not calling for some kind of revolution.


Are you implying that I abuse hallucinogenics? I've never even seen a joint, let alone smoked one. Stop painting me to be something which I am clearly not.
Also, note the reduction to the "Some of them support changes to drugs policy; therefore, they must all be stoners! Thus, they are stupid" argument.


This is the first instance I have ever seen of a moderator saying "Go away interesting people. You're not wanted here."

The situation is this. I like to be here. It has interesting people here. So do the other EB Tavern members. They like it too. Me and the other EB Tavern members share a similar kind of humour, and we all like each other. So, because we don't want to have to go to another, not interesting forum, we set up a social group where we can be a bit silly. Sometimes we make silly posts in the EB Tavern, sometimes we make serious posts in the EB Tavern, and a lot of the time we make serious posts in the rest of the Org. Because we all have friends who are not in the EB Tavern, we like to stay in the rest of the .Org. Going to a different forum, and "migrating" the EB Tavern is impossible.
There is no obligation to join the EB Tavern. I do not see why people are offended by stuff which is not only rather tame, but that they also do not have to see.

I knew it had to be that. i should have said something, especially after the last time when he posted those pictures of that girl's mangled body after a car accident.

...What?

Man, at this point I just want a place where I talk with my Tavern friends (been here for a year and a half already) and shoot the breeze without my sentences becoming stupid daisy's.

Exactly. We are no worse than a bunch of guys sitting in a tavern, saying the first thing that comes into our heads. That is what we are, and all we have ever been.

I don't do any of the friggen trolling or flame wars anymore,

Likewise, as if I ever did them.

you can look at the backroom recently and see that I have been posting intelligent arguments and responding to those who disagree politely, trying to contribute. We made the thing moderated so only we would be the ones talking in it and no one else would raise concerns.

What bothers me is that certain members are in the backroom allowed to make quite slanderous or clearly false posts, whilst if we forget to put a daisy instead of the word "Hell", all breaks loose.

We taverners have a long history of pissing off the mods...to rant about something a mod did behind the mods back

Not helping

The mods are afraid we might offend someone, while we believe that if you get offended by something said on a forum, maybe you should back off the forum awhile.

I admit we go to far sometimes, and some of our members need a little bit more self control, but for the most part the Taven has always been a place to unwind,...or to make fun of each other.

Free The Tavern, Free the Tavern!

Although all this is quite accurate.

[Subotan]

Damn, I appear to have hit the quote button by mistake, as I am unable to edit my own posts.

[NICATON]

...What?

yeah, this was before you re-joined the group. We got in the same damn trouble because he posted pictures of a girl with no head, the aftermath of a car accident.

[Centurion1]

i find it hard to believe no one knew about something like that. i mean egads man how does that not get around and why didnt anyone tell him to take it down?

[miotas]

i find it hard to believe no one knew about something like that. i mean egads man how does that not get around and why didnt anyone tell him to take it down?

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

[Rilder]

I knew about it, but never seen it because *gasp* it was removed. Basically in the tavern our rule breaking consisted of swearing too much and complaining about people who annoy us in the main forums.

This.

Wait guys!

I get it now.

If someone not a part of the eb tavern had posted the image would that of meant that that everybody who isn't a part of the EB tavern is, how did that guy put it?

A Kitten burner?