Scary units, how do they work?

[Drag0nUL]

Really don't know what happened there. Never had an unit rout so fast, not even vs. Carthaginian elephants. Thanks for your answers though.

[antisocialmunky]

If you play enough, you see this every so often. Its rather frustrating sometimes.

[seienchin]

Really don't know what happened there. Never had an unit rout so fast, not even vs. Carthaginian elephants. Thanks for your answers though.

I repeat, its when units have scary enemies behind them.
Sometimes you cant charge the back of the enemy line because your cav rather flees.

[Scutarii]

You sometimes need to be very careful using scary units.

I've got two units of Worgozes in one of my Roman stacks and found that the river crossing battles where I hoped to slaughter huge numbers of the German army (how did such a £poor faction get 15+ full stacks...).

I thought I'd be cunning and place them in a line behind the main point of contact at the crossing to break the charging Germans morale and cause a faster rout...but the combination of dozens of javelins, slingers and Worgozez meant that the Germans broke on contact (when normally they'll all pile over the river in the packed melee) and as fresh Germans were coming across still I couldn't pursue and so rather than 3k+ enemy causalties and utterly wiping out the stack I only killed about half...

[vartan]

how did such a £poor faction get 15+ full stacks...

Scripted money bonus for the AI.

[woirble]

Does anyone know whether scary units stack?

For example, if you have three Wild Men units near an enemy unit does the enemy unit suffer three times the morale loss it would if there was only one Wild Men unit near it.

A related question is whether the morale loss stacks for different scary units even if it doesn't stack where you have many of the same scary unit. For example, if you move a scythed chariot, a Wild Men unit, and a Worgoez (sp?) near an enemy unit, would that enemy unit suffer a morale loss for each type of scary unit near it? Or does it just suffer a morale loss equal to the effect of the scariest of the three scary units?

I assume this would be fairly easy to test in a custom battle but I don't know how.

Thanks,

woirble

[SwissBarbar]

I don't think they stack. Imagine a Gaesatae-Fullstack. You would not even come close enough to kill one enemy, they'd rout earlier.


In a Bridge-Battle archers are very effective. Station them a bit away from the brigde, at the river-shore, and let them shoot fire-arrows in the enemy's flanks. Once the first enemy-units begin to rout soon the whole army will run.

As for the scary units like elephants: They are best used as flankers. Let the enemy engange your infantry-battleline and after a short time let your cav. together with some elephant units engange their flank or rear. The whole army will break

[Cute Wolf]

I don't think they stack. Imagine a Gaesatae-Fullstack. You would not even come close enough to kill one enemy, they'd rout earlier.


In a Bridge-Battle archers are very effective. Station them a bit away from the brigde, at the river-shore, and let them shoot fire-arrows in the enemy's flanks. Once the first enemy-units begin to rout soon the whole army will run.

As for the scary units like elephants: They are best used as flankers. Let the enemy engange your infantry-battleline and after a short time let your cav. together with some elephant units engange their flank or rear. The whole army will break

Actually, they DID stack... my late game campaign when I play Aedui prove otherwise, as I really have one Battle line exclusively made by 12 unit of Gaesatae, only some certain elite enemies can (barely) touch the center of my line, they can, however, flinging their pilum and try to charge, only to become routing afterwards. (the other are 1 Brihentin BG, 2 leuce epos, 3 sotaroas, and 2 Massaliotai Hoplitai as backup)