"God's Gun Sight" Rejected by New Zealand

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Apparently, the miniscule font was not enough to minimize the impact of scripture. Several nations have called for kits to remove the existing scriptural references from these weapon sights.

So, is this a legitimate response by various national militaries or an silly waste of funds and effort on something that is irrelevant?

Your thoughts?

[CountArach]

Scripture has no place on military weaponry, particularly:
1) Given that the military is an arm of the Secular institution of the State.
2) They are serving in a war against religious fundamentalism. This certainly wouldn't help.

[Strike For The South]

Scripture has no place on military weaponry, particularly:
1) Given that the military is an arm of the Secular institution of the State.

+1, That's game, set, and match to me.

I share a country with people of all faiths and to do this certianly puts one of those faiths high on a pecking order which shouldn't exsist in the first place.

The governments really should check these things out.

[HoreTore]

It's quite customary in the Norwegian army to chip off the cross on the "kings mark" on the beret...

Makes people feel better.

[Subotan]

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Inshallah was found on an abandoned stack of Taliban AK-47s.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Soldiers in Afghanistan have been unknowingly using rifles stamped with references to verses from the New Testament.

Not in keeping with the principles of a secular state, no.* However, it also isn't worth wasting money to fix when there are more pressing matters at hand.

*If the soldiers had inscribed them themselves, that would be alright in my view.

I wonder what the reaction would be if the Inshallah was found on an abandoned stack of Taliban AK-47s.

Yes, I can see the headlines now:

Breaking News! Taliban are Muslims!

[CrossLOPER]

It's quite customary in the Norwegian army to chip off the cross on the "kings mark" on the beret...

Makes people feel better.

Such pragmatic people.

[Vuk]

I think that it is something that is better not done (for a number of reasons), and that various militaries should tell the company to stop putting them on if they want to keep their contracts, but I think that wasting the time and money to have them removed is just as ridiculous. If I understand correctly, the current director of the company is not even Christian. They are kept on to carry on the founder's tradition, as a quaint piece of company history, not a conversion method. That said though, as I stated above, the military should instruct them not to inscribe them on military sites.

[naut]

Scripture has no place on military weaponry, particularly:
1) Given that the military is an arm of the Secular institution of the State.
2) They are serving in a war against religious fundamentalism. This certainly wouldn't help.

[Brenus]

As matter of fact, it really doesn’t matter…
Did the Afghan holly warriors hesitated to use the Atheist AK? No
Will they hesitate to use this weapon? No.
It is a hurricane in a glass of water.
Will this gave another propaganda tool to the Ultra fascist/Muslim? So what? At least it is one they won’t make up…

“I wonder what the reaction would be if the Inshallah was found on an abandoned stack of Taliban AK-47s.”
Saw it in Bosnia. Made no head lines… Of course, the Bosnians were the good at the time…

It is quite stupid to put this on a weapon but, and I am atheist, I won’t really care. In fact, it makes me laugh as an example of religious hypocrisy: “Trijicon, (weapon factory) founded by a devoutly Christian South African”…
I though religion came from latin word meaning link… The link between the Creator and his creature… Here it is the line of fire….
“ I will walk in the valley etc…”

[The Wizard]

Scripture has no place on military weaponry, particularly:
1) Given that the military is an arm of the Secular institution of the State.
2) They are serving in a war against religious fundamentalism. This certainly wouldn't help.

Thread over.

[Furunculus]

really.............?

[Beskar]

I so want the manufacturer to produce guns with the model number J5 14

[al Roumi]

Scripture has no place on military weaponry, particularly:
1) Given that the military is an arm of the Secular institution of the State.
2) They are serving in a war against religious fundamentalism. This certainly wouldn't help.

I think most of you have missed the point since CA's post, especially his second.

Providing western soldiers with "holy" or religiously inspired weapons most unfortunately plays into the idea that Iraq and Afghanistan are Christian crusades, simply a continuation of what is seen by Muslims as an oft-recurring tradition of the Christian west imposing itself on Muslims and oppressing them, begun in 1095 and perpetuated through European colonisation to the present day.

In the west we bandy the word "crusade" around liberaly (maybe because we had so many), whereas to Muslims the word crusade is associated with some deep historical scars. To be fair, the west (especially america) is often used as a scapegoat for the Muslim world's weakness and fragmentation.

Anyway, at a time when western diplomats and commanders are trying to woo the "moderate" Taliban (Arabic for "religious students") in Afghanistan, any mention/insinuation that the west is on a religiously inspired mission to oppress Muslims (again) is more than a little counter-productive...

[Hosakawa Tito]

Apart from the likelihood that Jesus Guns are Pat Robertson approved...it's just not a wise "winning the hearts & minds" logo to add to the conspiracy theorists propoganda arsenal. At least make them work harder at it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Seems overblown. I can see why the military wouldn't want them on there, and manufacturer probably should have mentioned it, but I don't think any laws were broken.

And it seems Al Queda didn't learn about it until now, so the article might become self-fulfilling in terms of outrage generated over the markings.

Finally, there's the whole irony of putting the words of Christ on a military scope. I guess this may be the scope of choice for the 'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" folks.

CR

[drone]

Definitely seems strange to put New Testament stuff on military hardware. Maybe they were inspired by Private Jackson in SPR.

[Furunculus]

Apparently, the miniscule font was not enough to minimize the impact of scripture. Several nations have called for kits to remove the existing scriptural references from these weapon sights.

So, is this a legitimate response by various national militaries or an silly waste of funds and effort on something that is irrelevant?

it is a storm in a teacup that really isn't worth a tiny bit of moral outrage on the part of purchasing governments, but it is impressive that the company has been so proactive in offering to provide removal kits to past customers.

[Ronin]

If you're gonna have references to Christian scripture in a killing machine I propose we start putting it on condoms as well.....to keep the irony level equal.

I propose we use Revelations 22:20 - "He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."

But I suppose some people would take issue with that

[Vladimir]

C'mon people. It's "tempest in a teapot."

Oh, and Trijicon makes awesome sights. I really don't care.

[Kralizec]

Old news I read about this in the newspaper about 2 weeks ago.

The reaction may seem overblown to some, but it was a stupid thing to do in the first place. If Hezbollah used AK-47's with qu'ran verses written on them, I'd bet it would be frequently used as anecdotal evidence that they're a bunch of fundamentalists