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    In Ireland, the new blasphemy law went into effect.
    Blasphemy law a return to middle ages - Dawkins

    THE NEW blasphemy law will send Ireland back to the middle ages, and is wretched, backward and uncivilised, Prof Richard Dawkins has said.


    The scientist and critic of religion has lent his support to a campaign to repeal the law, introduced by Atheist Ireland, a group set up last December, arising from an online discussion forum. The law, which makes the publication or utterance of blasphemous matter a crime punishable by a €25,000 fine, passed through the Oireachtas last week.


    In a message read out at Atheist Ireland’s first agm on Saturday, Prof Dawkins said: “One of the world’s most beautiful and best-loved countries, Ireland has recently become one of the most respected as well: dynamic, go-ahead, modern, civilised – a green and pleasant silicon valley. This preposterous blasphemy law puts all that respect at risk.” He said it would be too kind to call the law a ridiculous anachronism.


    “It is a wretched, backward, uncivilised regression to the middle ages. Who was the bright spark who thought to besmirch the revered name of Ireland by proposing anything so stupid?”


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...250543694.html

    To which I would like to add: The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.


    Reason is challenging the law already:

    Publication of 25 blasphemous quotes
    In this context we now publish a list of 25 blasphemous quotes, which have previously been published by or uttered by or attributed to Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Mark Twain, Tom Lehrer, Randy Newman, James Kirkup, Monty Python, Rev Ian Paisley, Conor Cruise O’Brien, Frank Zappa, Salman Rushdie, Bjork, Amanda Donohoe, George Carlin, Paul Woodfull, Jerry Springer the Opera, Tim Minchin, Richard Dawkins, Pope Benedict XVI, Christopher Hitchens, PZ Myers, Ian O’Doherty, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor and Dermot Ahern.


    Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in relation to matters held sacred by various religions, we unreservedly support the right of these people to have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly support the right of any Irish citizen to make comparable statements about matters held sacred by any religion without fear of being criminalised, and without having to prove to a court that a reasonable person would find any particular value in the statement.


    Campaign begins to repeal the Irish blasphemy law
    We ask Fianna Fail and the Green Party to repeal their anachronistic blasphemy law, as part of the revision of the Defamation Act that is included within the Act. We ask them to hold a referendum to remove the reference to blasphemy from the Irish Constitution.
    We also ask all TDs and Senators to support a referendum to remove references to God from the Irish Constitution, including the clauses that prevent atheists from being appointed as President of Ireland or as a Judge without swearing a religious oath asking God to direct them in their work.
    If you run a website, blog or other media publication, please feel free to republish this statement and the list of quotes yourself, in order to show your support for the campaign to repeal the Irish blasphemy law and to promote a rational, ethical, secular Ireland.


    List of 25 Blasphemous Quotes Published by Atheist Ireland


    *fun stuff in link*



    http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
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    I weep for Ireland.
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    Before long they'll have the Ministry for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.
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    I have no idea how Irish gub'mint works, but hopefully that crap gets overturned posthaste, AND the idiots responsible for passing it get a firm censure. How utterly ridiculous.

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    Is nothing holy anymore

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    I that such a statement blasphemious to my belief of no God. >:(

    £25,000 fine for that, Fragony.
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    I hope it is law for a long time to come.
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    Wonder if I stand on my side of the border and shout blasphemous slogans will I start a diplomatic incident...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I that such a statement blasphemious to my belief of no God. >:(
    THERE IS NO GOD

    Some get close though

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Wonder if I stand on my side of the border and shout blasphemous slogans will I start a diplomatic incident...
    This might be youtube-worthy.
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    Sweet Zombie Jesus.
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    Christ, that's going to put a dent in Tribesman's wallet!
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    I'll wait to see it enforced before I get excited; we have a similar law in the UK and it doesn't stop people posing naked on Church alters.
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    If I cared enough I'd find out how the law reads.

    I like it. It guarantees more entertainment for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    If I cared enough I'd find out how the law reads.

    I like it. It guarantees more entertainment for me.
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    I don't expect that many, if any, people will get convicted for this. But even then it's still disgraceful that the Irish parliament passed this law in this age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    I'll wait to see it enforced before I get excited; we have a similar law in the UK and it doesn't stop people posing naked on Church alters.
    I remember that thread....good times.


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    doesnt matter what age it is, this sort of law is incredibly foolish.

    wonder if they will seriously enforce it or not.

    i hate strongly dislike richard dawkins but i have to agree with him in principle on this one at least

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    Louis, your link for the 25 blasphemous quotes is broken *you big tease*, so I provided it here Enjoy, all ye heathens and sons of the devil.

    Hmmm, some are a bit naughty so be forewarned. If the Backroom staff feels the need to delete the link, please do, and give me 50 lashes please forgive me my transgression. Upon further review I delete the link, give myself 50 lashes for not reading it through and direct those interested to Google it yo'self. This is all your fault, Louis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    i hate strongly dislike richard dawkins but i have to agree with him in principle on this one at least
    Why?

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    simply dislike most of his views on religious and social issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Why?
    Well, he's a bit of a hypocrit, an evolutionary biologist who derides religion as a primative result of our ancestry, and a supperstition; who then goes on to assert the supersition that we can buck our evolution.

    The way I read him, he had a bad experience with the Church and now hates religion, and the Christian God in particular. I find this odd, as he claims the Christian God does not exist.
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    Dawkins is pathetic, and this law is almost as pathetic as him.

    Really, freedom of speech is nothing without the freedom to offend, which should protect not just blasphemy but hate speech.

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    The new law defines blasphemy as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion
    I don't understand how this can possibly work, any publication about anything related to any god is automatically blasphemous to any other monotheistic religion.
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    its a stupid law that will never actually be enforced can you imagine charging someone more than 25k (us) or euros whatever, for saying JESUS, or something of the like. or as miotas says, just so many ways to break this law.

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    That's just ridiculous... I'm a christian sort of guy, but religion should be kept out of politics period. That said, I can't see them enforcing this

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    grossly abusive or insulting
    So..... Our job is clear then; come up with something grossly abusive and get it printed in Ireland.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    The Irish are a blasphemy.

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    Blasphemous quotes by...Conor Cruise O’Brien, Frank Zappa, Salman Rushdie,
    Fantastic
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    If we're just following *God's Orders*
    Hey, let's get serious...
    God knows what he's doin'
    He wrote this book here
    An' the book says:
    He made us all to be just like Him
    so...
    If we're dumb...
    Then God is dumb...
    (An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)
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