Dear Mods/Admins

[Subotan]

There's not really much I can add to Che's post, although I do disagree with certain points he made, such as the suggestion that Tosa has Hitler-esque fantasies (Although he certainly behaved quite rudely to us). So, I'm just going to refer to particular points that people have made. Again, I would appreciate it if this thread was not locked. I don't expect massive replies, but I just want to correct the assumptions that some people have.

From what I saw, there were several notices about cleaning up the EB Tavern, these were apparently ignored so Tosa took the axe to the whole thing. The Taverners were asked to police themselves, and in the minds of Tosa and the mods, they did not. Yes, there were 10,000 posts, how much time do you expect Tosa and the mods to spend cleaning it up?

By several, you mean one. Tosa would also have axed it regardless of whether we had followed his new guidelines to the letter. Personally, I think the EB Tavern has been killed off, but a warning, or at least a notification that that would happen would have been nice. An apology will suffice though.

Nobody was banned. Some members of the EB Tavern broke forum rules when protesting it's closure. Warning points were given and involuntary vacations were the result. Many members decided to use alts to get around their punishments, so they got extra points. Nobody was purged.

Many? You mean one. The other punishments for alts were dished out for the alt thread, which you can see for yourself.

I have no idea of what Meth did, but he is also not banned. And Tosa is not a mod, he is the site admin. The 1s and 0s that represent the Org are under his control, so he is essentially God as far as totalwar.org is concerned. This is the reality of the situation, like it or not.

I'm not asking for a democracy.

The forum rules apply to all sections of the Org, which included the EB tavern. Spam, pr0n, warez, gruesome pics, flame wars, swearing, et al, are forbidden. They were tolerated to some extent within the group, hence the complete removal.

The first five never occured within the EB Tavern, and in the exceptional circumstances that they did, they were then dealt with. The latter we expressed a willingness to cut down after the establishment of the second Tavern, and we did manage to by a huge amount.

The Babe Thread has rules, and is countered by the Hunk Thread. People who post bigoted comments or troll do not go unchecked, they get warning points. Warning points and their results are not public knowledge, only account bans get published.

Personally, I feel that the Babe/Hunk threads by their very nature are worse than anything that ever occurred in the EB Tavern.

This thread will only result in more warning points if it continues. It will only drag more Taverners in and start the whole cycle again.

Civil discussion of the issue is allowed. It is when it turns nasty that banning becomes a possibility.

I hope not. I am going to stay civil, so there shouldn't be any need for locks.

Remember, the internet is serious business.

The Internet; serious business.

CR

This is something that has grated me for quite a while. Apparently, when we protest at the destruction of our social group, akin to the obliteration of the backroom, that is taking the internet too seriously. And yet, the various moderators, admins and certain patrons are treating it as if it were an inhuman scourge upon the .Org, that must be wiped out at all costs. The opposition to the re-establishment of a sensible, self-moderated Tavern is way out of proportion.

Ladies and gentlemen, Hitler has entered the building...
The Org is what it is. 99.99% of the patrons seem to be happy with this and have zero issues with the administration of this board. Most of the remaining 0.01% that do have issues, live and learn. The remainder play the martyr/rebel-been-wronged card and cause trouble before walking away.

I'd say it was more than 0.01%, if we define patrons as regular users.