I get Regions without doing anything

[Alexokrat]

hey guys, i'm new to the Mod and now I started a campaign with the kingdom of Saba. I played it very slow,reduced my army so that my money grows. Everything worked fine till i suprisingly was besides my home region the ruler of Bostra and in war with ptolemai. Ok I fixed this, let most of the army there go and waited until ptolemai got the city back. Then a few turns later i got Palmyra and Petra. This really ruins my finances. Is this a bug or normal? I can't see any sense in it.

Sorry if there was allready such a thread, but I didn't knew after what i should have searched.

[anubis88]

It's normal. When those cities rebel, Saba becames their new ruler. I can't say how can this ruin your economy? Just disband your army and destroy all the buildings... You can only get an increse

[Alexokrat]

I did exactly what you told me but the problem is if the region gets mine again after 2 rounds there is nothing to destroy there anymore and I lose money and trade rights with the egyptians, eventhough this isnt that big factor yet.

[Fluvius Camillus]

It's very normal that they rebel, in my (unsuccesful) Saba campaign I had put some of the rebel armies together and sacked the closest large and poorly defended cities, knewing I would lose there anyway, I would take as much cash as possible.

Also Off topic for this thread, a slow Sab'yn campaign probably won't do you any good, if you venture outside Arabia very late you will face either an unstoppable Ptolemaioi Empire or an unstoppable Seleukid Empire.

Hope you fare better than me!

~Fluvius

[Macilrille]

Welcome to the Forum and mod :-D

The modders advice that newcomers to the mod- even if experienced RTW players, start as Rome or Carthage. There is a reason for that. many tricks of the game you only learn over time by doing it or reading about it here then doing it. Doing your learning with Saba, which is one of the most difficult factions to play, is not advisable as you risk getting your gaming experience and thus enjoyment of this great mod ruined. You might even be discouraged from playing EB altogether by starting with one of the really hard factions.

My advice would be to start anew with Rome or Carthage to learn, then only as you become experienced with EB move to the more difficult factions such as Saba, Swebôz and Haysdan. Put it this way, if Fluvius failed, there is little chance a new player will succeed.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Hot damn, Fluvius could not have failed, could he? Probably just gave up out of a lack of interest, huh? I was not aware it is possible to lose a campaign for an experienced player in EB... I mean, maybe Pontos and Haysadan, but that is about all. Even with those, a simple migration should do.

[Alexokrat]

Thanks for your advices.
I own all of the south of Arabia now. I'm in the year 248BC and there were no fightings between my 2 big hellenic neighbours so far. There is just one region which is still controlled by the elutheroi between me and the seleucid empire in the east, and in the west i'm a direct neighbour of ptolemaio which own the region nabatae (dont know if this is right spelled, the region with bostra in it^^) So now I think about what to do now, I have enough money, and I sent an expedition(diplomat and spy) by ship to the far east where an indian eleutheroi city is, which is quite good defended and I dont think it would be such a good idea.
So my plan was to get out of arabia without being confrontated by the 2 superpowers for now, maybe there is a way.

To the difficult Saba thing, I started with Saba because this faction is so different from the location and origin than the others.(especially to RTW)I will continue playing till im done, I have enough ambition I think, so maybe it works or not, than I will start with another faction.
Im very interested in Pahlava and bactria too, but for now I want to try Saba.

[vartan]

Welcome. You got some balls playing as Saba. It's a very hard campaign. The axemen and hoplites help though. So you don't want to send a ship over to south of Egypt or the cities in the far east? You could take some Eleutheroi that way, although it'd be hard keeping the people happy considering the distance from capital penalty.

[Alexokrat]

now I continued my game, this time I thought could make sth out the rebel regions that come to my side, so I got Palmyra, Bostra and Kush and thought this is the decision that I would have to fight Ptolemaio, but now Ptolemaio has become an allie of their former enemy seleuceia and I think they will attack me ^^
So lets see where this will bring me to...

[Cambyses]

Your best bet is to attack the ptolemaioi in Southern Africa - Ethiopa/Nubia area. That should draw their armies back down into Egypt, very slowly, and allow you to defeat them one by one. Then work your way up the Nile until you can sack Alexandira. Rather than fight them next to and around your homeland regions. Personally, I would advise only taking the Syrian cities after Egypt has been conquered. As for the Seleucids, dont antagonise them too much and hope they are distracted enough by the Parthians not to give you too hard a time.

Some players might advise you to just ship a powerful army straight to the Ptolies capital and destroy it.

Anyway, good luck and have fun!

[Macilrille]

Be warned that common land border means that the insanely berserk AI will invariably attack you. So be prepared.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Hot damn, Fluvius could not have failed, could he? Probably just gave up out of a lack of interest, huh? I was not aware it is possible to lose a campaign for an experienced player in EB... I mean, maybe Pontos and Haysadan, but that is about all. Even with those, a simple migration should do.

Strange but possible It was my first campaign so I was an experienced RTW'er back then! I was just discovering how everything worked and steadily fought from Meroe to Alexandreia. I stopped when I reached Pselkis, which was quite an annoying city, a lot of unrest. Also my Gov buildingss kept being damaged by the multiple campaign bug. I was too poor to repair them. On the Eastern sides I encountered Argyraspidai with TAB's. So at that point I abandoned the campaign and started my very succesful Makedonia learning campaign! If I would try now I would definately win, I was able to make my Pont-Persian Empire already, so this shouldn't be much harder for me now.

~Fluvius

[Trax]

I encountered the same problem as Saba. To me it really destroys the realism factor when the inhabitants of Petra or Palmyra defect to the king of Saba thousand miles away across the desert. Hopefully EBII will have a northern Arabian faction (Nabatea?) to take care of this annoyance.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I encountered the same problem as Saba. To me it really destroys the realism factor when the inhabitants of Petra or Palmyra defect to the king of Saba thousand miles away across the desert. Hopefully EBII will have a northern Arabian faction (Nabatea?) to take care of this annoyance.

Then why not roleplay that the rebel inhabitants of Petra or Palmyra are not actually LOYAL SUBJECTS of the King of Saba. They are ALLIES of the King of Saba. Equivalent to the population of a city in your empire with a Type IV government - an independent city, but one that's very friendly towards you and pays you tribute.

A bit like early Rome. Rome didn't actually rule all of Italy directly in 270 BC. She just had lots of Italian allies, which had agreed to provide Rome with soldiers in wartime and allow Rome to direct their foreign policy (they still managed their own internal affairs). This can be simulated in EB by letting the AI automanage the 'allied' settlements while you control their armies.

[Trax]

I don't need "allies" who can't keep their hands out of my wallet. :P
Money is scarce as Saba and I don't want to spend anything on adventures in the North
so early in the campaign.

[satalexton]

"Allies", were, traditionally expensive to have around. Why else would there be the simple and easy option of 'conquer and genocide'? A lot less frills, and you actually -get- money out of doing it. The Hellenes have innovated a systematic approach to it, as did the other civilized cultures like the Keltoi. The Rhomaioi improved upon their models and elevated it into an art form and.........................................

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I don't need "allies" who can't keep their hands out of my wallet. :P
Money is scarce as Saba and I don't want to spend anything on adventures in the North
so early in the campaign.

If Petra or Palmyra has a big army which is costing you money, then roleplay them setting out on their own quest of expansion by attacking the Seleucids or Ptolemies. That will either get most of their army killed off, saving you money, or they'll conquer a city, offsetting their upkeep costs. Or just disband most of their army.

[athanaric]

Money is scarce as Saba and I don't want to spend anything on adventures in the North
so early in the campaign.

Don't forget to upgrade the mines in Carna...

[Pobs]

Just out of interest, I wonder how many emporers and rulers in history have said ' if only my allies had done exactly as I wanted them to, and when I wanted them to, we wouldn't be in this mess right now' ?

one of the best features of the RTW world for me is the unpredictability of the AI, it adds hugely to the game.... oh and if you are such an experienced RTW that you can never lose... try only fighting the battles with one army (as if you were with it in the field) and let the AI fight all your other battles for you..... yes, you will lose a lot more fights, but you will come to realise the problems of running a huge empire personally.... ask Napoleon, or any of the other great rulers from history....


cheers,


Pobs

[Hax]

I don't need "allies" who can't keep their hands out of my wallet. :P

"alliance: in international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third" - Devil's dictionary

Oh well, the Saba'en game is filled with fun!

[Dutchhoplite]

Never dared to play them with those Hellenistic monsters in the neighbourhood :)

I'll give them a try soon and create a nice, Hellenistic influenced, kingdom ;)

[Macilrille]

Just out of interest, I wonder how many emporers and rulers in history have said ' if only my allies had done exactly as I wanted them to, and when I wanted them to, we wouldn't be in this mess right now' ?

one of the best features of the RTW world for me is the unpredictability of the AI, it adds hugely to the game.... oh and if you are such an experienced RTW that you can never lose... try only fighting the battles with one army (as if you were with it in the field) and let the AI fight all your other battles for you..... yes, you will lose a lot more fights, but you will come to realise the problems of running a huge empire personally.... ask Napoleon, or any of the other great rulers from history....


cheers,


Pobs

Sorry to say, but after a few campaigns the AI becomes horribly predictable.

For RP-ing that is a good idea BTW.

[Alexokrat]

oh and if you are such an experienced RTW that you can never lose... try only fighting the battles with one army (as if you were with it in the field) and let the AI fight all your other battles for you..... yes, you will lose a lot more fights, but you will come to realise the problems of running a huge empire personally....

actually you will lose msot of the fights, especially when playing as Saba, because your units are much weaker than of your neighbours and the AI Generals have better stats mostly.

[Alexokrat]

I have a question to this topic, is there any file i can look which town rebels to which faction?

[Trax]

descr_strat.txt, I think.

[XSamatan]

Search for the entry behind "faction_creator", to identify the right factions you will need this

XSamatan

[Madoushi]

Personally, as Makedon it really threw off my game every time Nikaeia or some other province defected to me.
Leaving the defencting armies intact loses me money, yet disbanding them invites one of ny allies to attack and seize it, causing me to lose money from the sacking AND money from the loss of trade.

In vanilla TW games a province defecting to you is good. In this one, it's a real pain.