Reputation Bug in Vanilla - Fixed in EBII?

**TheFrisian** · 03-12-2010, 01:46

Hi,

I generally play vanilla m2tw on Very Hard campaign difficulty. While in general that difficulty setting does a decent job of setting out challenges and the means to overcome them, I have noticed that there is virtually no way of improving reputation.
You can improve relations by giving away huge tracts of territory... and can generally maintain against the negative slide by periodically doing nice things and maintaing an alliance or two.
But, as far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way of fighting against the reputation slide. You can release all the prisoners you want and 'occupy' every territory, and you still end up 'Deceiftul' in the end.
I find that frustrating. Since reputation affects your relationship will each individual nation, everyone (often including allies) comes to hate you... very quickly. It makes almost every game into me vs. the world. It makes the judicious use of strategic diplomacy impossible. Short of giving away half an empire you can never induce AI to attack one another or ally...
Difficulty settings should make the game harder... not remove a dimension of gameplay altogether.

I ran across this blog online that seems to provide an answer:
http://t-a-w.blogspot.com/2009/11/wh...edieval-2.html

I don't proclaim to be even an amateur programmer. But it makes sense to me.
Seems that the Creative Assembly team rendered a crucial section of the code innoperative.
When you occupy a city, instead of sacking/ exterminating, it should improve your reputation.
That section of the code does't get read by the game however, and instead occupying cities actually reduces reputation.

Anyway. I loved EBI. I can't wait for EBII. And I just wanted to draw this to the attention of the modders - in case you guys weren't already aware.
Thanks for being awesome.

**Foot** · 03-12-2010, 01:54

Very nice find. I didn't personally know about this, I don't know whether as a team we were aware of this.

Foot

**Macilrille** · 03-12-2010, 02:23

And welcome to the Forum :-D

**Cute Wolf** · 03-12-2010, 05:39

I Think someone on allready made that submod for Deus Lo Vult, considerably long time ago.....

Everytime, it was Catholics vs Muslim Alliance, and unless I was one of the Muslims, they will eventually get broken flat, and must resort to infiltrating Europeans with Imams to convert the populations .... (ironically identical to what happened in the real politics

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**vartan** · 03-16-2010, 21:31

Beautifully done first post. Welcome. What a critical observation, one must admit. Hopefully it will not be that much of an obstacle to overcome in EBII...wow.

**Mulceber** · 03-17-2010, 05:36

Yeah, I hope the modders will take some time to render this code operative. Sounds like it could improve gameplay in a real way. -M

**TheFrisian** · 03-19-2010, 08:30

Hey. Thanks for the warm welcome!
EBI was absolutely brilliant. I'm really looking forward to watching EBII as it develops. It's tough though. It's like waiting for Christmas. The more you think about it, the longer it takes to arrive...

**eddy_purpus** · 03-19-2010, 08:45

Foot has spoken !

for the OP !

**Drunk Clown** · 03-19-2010, 20:46

I personally haven't really noticed this problem, cos I always ended up being just mixed or something better than that. I have never been deceitful.
As long as I just didn't backstab an ally, but kept the alliance alive, I became a "good" faction.