Social Security to start cashing Uncle Sam's IOUs

[KukriKhan]

Sounds as if something like super would be helpful.

It's certainly something worth looking at. Thanks for the link.

Remind me again why we're giving a pay out to people simply becuase there hearts are still beating?

Because those people paid into the system, same as you and I.

[Xiahou]

Because those people paid into the system, same as you and I.

People who paid into the system are going to get screwed over one way or the other- it's unavoidable. The only question is: who and how badly?

[KukriKhan]

And when(?).

[HoreTore]

Well maybe, but why should I have a moral obligation to an old man who wasted his money on whiskey and whores instead of saving?

Yes, poor people have only themselves to blame for their situation.

Try to be a little lees stereotypical... And doing this through taxes does ensure that everyone does save money for retirement, ya know.

[Centurion1]

Yes, poor people have only themselves to blame for their situation.

Try to be a little lees stereotypical... And doing this through taxes does ensure that everyone does save money for retirement, ya know.

Why don't they have (wait here it comes, a GOP buzzword) a little personal responsibility. Though it may be code for hating poor people it still stands.

What seems to be slipping people's minds is that social security IS going to fail. what needs to be done is it has to be either scrapped or phased out so it isnt a shock when it actually happens.

[a completely inoffensive name]

What seems to be slipping people's minds is that social security IS going to fail.

That is opinion based upon your own bias that government cant handle anything, therefor anything broken will become irreparable. I'm getting tired of modern day conservatives spouting their talking points as facts.

Obama is a socialist/communist/fascist, that is fact based upon the polices he has implemented.
Free market is always better then the government, that is fact based upon history (as long as you forget police, firemen,..etc). I'm getting tired of an intelligent discussion coming back down to right wing talking points regurgitated over and over again. I have little patience for someone who insinuates that our lovable leftist HoreTore could in anyway not be fervent in free speech because of what those "bad" progressives are doing. That's compensating for bad logic and reasoning by insulting a person's (created strawman) ideology in general and applying it to an individual to disarm/discredit him and get cheap debate advantages.

Why I bother with the backroom....

[Strike For The South]

Because those people paid into the system, same as you and I.

Ok but what happens when your saftey net ensares more people than it helps, If it's clear SS is becoming dead weight why not reform it

[a completely inoffensive name]

If it's clear SS is becoming dead weight why not reform it

Because obviously government cant do anything, so when there is a problem we need to scrap it completely.

[HoreTore]

Why don't they have (wait here it comes, a GOP buzzword) a little personal responsibility.

An easy thing to say for the middle class.

Not that easy to say when your single mom was a junkie and you're still mentally unstable because you got raped by three 40-year olds at age 9.

[drone]

Because obviously government cant do anything, so when there is a problem we need to scrap it completely.

Where will Congress find a) their balls, and b) $2.5 trillion? Both are going to be needed to fix Social Security.

[Subotan]

Easy.

SOAK THE RICH

[HoreTore]

Where will Congress find a) their balls, and b) $2.5 trillion? Both are going to be needed to fix Social Security.

I believe there are two retarded wars going on - ending them would free up a lot of cash. There's also a bloated defense budget on the loose, more than ready for some of those deep cuts previously reserved for poor people.

Easy.

SOAK THE RICH

That never helped anyone. The only reason we need the rich to pay their taxes is to keep the tax-morale high.

[drone]

I believe there are two retarded wars going on - ending them would free up a lot of cash. There's also a bloated defense budget on the loose, more than ready for some of those deep cuts previously reserved for poor people.

Ah, but what about the first requirement?

[Centurion1]

I believe there are two retarded wars going on - ending them would free up a lot of cash. There's also a bloated defense budget on the loose, more than ready for some of those deep cuts previously reserved for poor people.

not enough. and i would rather have a strong military than social security.

An easy thing to say for the middle class.

Not that easy to say when your single mom was a junkie and you're still mentally unstable because you got raped by three 40-year olds at age 9.

yeah real common place example, the single mother was enough. what did you just watch Precious.

That is opinion based upon your own bias that government cant handle anything, therefor anything broken will become irreparable. I'm getting tired of modern day conservatives spouting their talking points as facts.

That is My opinion based on numbers that it is nigh on impossible to even reform without making people completely pissed off and impossible to sustain for much longer at this rate.

[Subotan]

not enough. and i would rather have a strong military than social security..

What's the point of defending poverty?

That is My opinion based on numbers that it is nigh on impossible to even reform without making people completely pissed off and impossible to sustain for much longer at this rate.

That is the total opposite of what you said earlier:

im sure many middle aged americans would (forego SS).

[Centurion1]

That is the total opposite of what you said earlier:

Im talking about older people already in the program or about to enter it. Do you know how powerful AARP is in America. Thats the problem until a pres or someone powerful says i dont care about reelection this needs to be fixed and all of congress and senate agree with him there is no fixing it. so you go find me a representative democracy that has those kinds of balls.