Cheats - what's the point??

[TancredTheNorman]

This was the Rome before Marius, and as you very well know, includes a rich and long history. Try to have the patience to use Italy as your primary recruiting ground, and to not blitz the damn map. Also, try not to fall for all those hollywood movies on Rome. It's BS, all of it.

Hate to break it to you, but the historical Marian Reforms came when the Empire was much smaller and weaker then EB would have anyone believe, and WHY should the ONLY faction that must not reach it's historical turning point be Rome? I never have any problems with the Barbarian reforms, or the Greek reforms, or Carthaginian reforms, why is the Romani reforms different? EB is about changing history, so what exactly is wrong with allowing reforms 60-70 years early especially when they came for some of Rome's hardest enemies after Carthage (Not it's easiest).

Are you too lazy to use Italy as your sole recruiting ground for factional troops? For retraining, you'll just have to recruit new units in Italy, ship them to the front, and merge them with the depleted ones. The Marians are scheduled to happen as they historically have. So, slow down your expansion and take note that 4 turns is 1 year. Reforms don't happen overnight. As for the popularis trait, have you tried searching the forums? I remember seeing plenty of popularis threads through my years here, where players discuss the likeliest ways of getting the trait without cheating. I myself don't know as I've never played the Romans in EB before in my life.

Historically I have demonstrated before Marian reforms were not done historically once there was nothing left to fight. Please tell me you haven't completely forgotten the Jugarthine Wars, the Gallic Wars, Mithraditic Wars, and Actium? As it stands now the reforms happen once there is NOTHING left and that is plainly ahistorical. In historical terms what the Romans infact had at the time of Marius would not actually amount to the 45 province minimum for the complicated requirements, let alone 90 provinces. I do use Italy, but the problem is for role playing purposes Polybian garrissons are plainly ahistorical. The Republican Legion was raised for a particular reason and disbanded once the need ended, and I tend to do that, and keep four Consular Legions in Italy ready to respond, the problem is once you get the required 45 provinces for reforms you are just too large to actually use Italy very often and HAVE TO use regional soldiers. Romans did not recruit mercenaries, Carthage and other medditeranian cultures did, Romans didn't, even Marius only accepted Citizen Soldiers, and allied Latins willing to become citizens.

Furthermore when did I say I blitz? My Empire is constantly fighting simply because I refuse to finish off my enemies, which I easily could do with the regional troops, bringing in troops from Italy for role play is ok butit just doesn't feel right, if I lose 4 citizen militia legions and just replace it with another four, unacceptable losses are what caused widespread acceptance of Marian reforms, so far my Legions being lost have no political effect, and nobody cares. You also I think forget that Marius completed a process more then brought something new, the trend before him was moving away from the old system.

I dissagre. The point of the reforms is for them to happen once the SPQR is to big to be supported by troops from Italy, as it was IRL

All Rome had at the time of Marius was a section of Gaul, a relatively small and relatively underused section of Africa (which the Optimatas refused to develop) large portions of Spain that were not fully subdued untill the Empire, portions of Greece, Italy, Sicily, Corsica, Sardinia, and the Baelerac Isles, and Marius recruted exclusively from Italy what he did not recruit from was exclusively middle class and up. The reforms just gave the poor admission into the army on an official basis and standardized equiptment training and discipline they weren't that massive an overhaul, and were certainly NOT done once Rome had nothing left to fight.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I use cheats because I really don't have the time to play any campaign too long.
My real life and other activities prevent this.
I play because I want to have fun not actually win the campaign.

So, if you play the game without cheats because you want to win the campaign then do it.
Just don't come here and start a thread with a tone "you cheat? then you must be some ***"

100 players = 100 ways to play the game.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

All Rome had at the time of Marius was a section of Gaul, a relatively small and relatively underused section of Africa (which the Optimatas refused to develop) large portions of Spain that were not fully subdued untill the Empire, portions of Greece, Italy, Sicily, Corsica, Sardinia, and the Baelerac Isles, and Marius recruted exclusively from Italy what he did not recruit from was exclusively middle class and up. The reforms just gave the poor admission into the army on an official basis and standardized equiptment training and discipline they weren't that massive an overhaul, and were certainly NOT done once Rome had nothing left to fight.

Maybe we're not comparing like with like here.

In EB, you can have a 'Roman' city with a Type IV government. And the game considers it part of YOUR empire.

But, in the true history of the Roman Republic, a territory with the 'Real Life' TM equivalent of the Type IV government wouldn't actually be considered part of the Roman Republic. It would be an allied territory. Allied to Rome, but not under Rome's direct control except with regard to war and foreign policy.

So, theoretically, territories in your EB Roman Empire with Type IV governments shouldn't count toward the number of provinces needed for the Marian reforms. Since those territories would be producing non-Roman troops, not Legionaries.

But, in EB 1.2 right now, all provinces count, including those with Type IV governments.

[VIPERLORD]

LOL oops

Looks like I hit a nerve, so I apologise if it came across to some people that I was saying that if you cheat then you must be no good at the game. That was not my intent. Sometimes I forget that not everyone that plays is playing to try and win but are just having some fun roleplaying etc. Personally for me the fun is in the challenge of overcoming whatever the AI throws at me without 'adjusting' anything.

Anyway, I better stop typing before i end up with another serious case of foot in mouth disease.

[WinsingtonIII]

LOL oops

Looks like I hit a nerve, so I apologise if it came across to some people that I was saying that if you cheat then you must be no good at the game. That was not my intent. Sometimes I forget that not everyone that plays is playing to try and win but are just having some fun roleplaying etc. Personally for me the fun is in the challenge of overcoming whatever the AI throws at me without 'adjusting' anything.

Anyway, I better stop typing before i end up with another serious case of foot in mouth disease.

It's cool, I'm not offended, I was just pointing out that there may be a more diplomatic way of saying what you said. The only cheat I ever use is toggle_fow occasionally to track the progress of the AI anyways, so it's not like this was even really directed at me.

Sorry I thought you were trying to provoke people, on the internet you never know who's asking a serious question and who's just trying to get a rise out of people.

[vartan]

Sorry I thought you were trying to provoke people, on the internet you never know who's asking a serious question and who's just trying to get a rise out of people.

Stupid text: fails to express emotions and body language! BTW I think VIPERLORD is one sick son of a gun for making posts like that. I send you, VIPERLORD, a virtual HI-FIVE.

P.S. Anyone wants to get dissed I'll be in the basement freestylin' your life to pieces.

[Duguntz]

Yay, dissing party... it's been too long since it happened on the forum... ha, the good days of the tavern... I'm coming in your basement, ripping you psychologicaly appart, maybe more paople wants to join?

[vartan]

Yay, dissing party... it's been too long since it happened on the forum... ha, the good days of the tavern... I'm coming in your basement, ripping you psychologicaly appart, maybe more paople wants to join?

Considering you are one of the biggest of the men on this forum you will sooner rip me apart physically than psychologically, haha.

[Megas Methuselah]

P.S. Anyone wants to get dissed I'll be in the basement freestylin' your life to pieces.

Haha, awesome!

[cosmyn12]

I use only add_money just sometimes when I dont HAVE money or they look like hmmm......-7000. So I use it just rarely to save my economy cuz it's crashing

[Ludens]

Looks like I hit a nerve, so I apologise if it came across to some people that I was saying that if you cheat then you must be no good at the game. That was not my intent.

No problem. Nothing wrong with this topic; I only posted it as a general reminder.