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    I don't know if it is supposed to be this way, but for some reason in my Lusotann campaign, I can't recruit Iberi Lancearii no matter what government I have, even though I have built every building I can in each of my cities (i used process_cq and i control the whole Iberian peninsula). I looked in the export_descr_unit file, and it said that spain and egypt could recruit the Lancearii, but so far I've only seen Carthage be able to do so. I'm running on the alex version of the mini mod pack, anyone know what is going on?

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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    I believe they require either a lvl 4 regional or lvl 5 regional barracks. What is worth noting is that they require REGIONAL barracks rather than native. That means you will need either a Type 3 or 4 government.
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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Ok I understand now, I think I will just edit the file so I can get them with a level 1 gov't. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin View Post
    I believe they require either a lvl 4 regional or lvl 5 regional barracks. What is worth noting is that they require REGIONAL barracks rather than native.
    That's true for the Carthaginians, but not for the Lusotanians. Also, according to the recruitment viewer, they require a level 5 barracks for the Lusotanians (type I government only) and a level 4 for the Carthaginians (type III or IV government). They are only available in Carpetania, Edetania and Lacetania (and technically Bastetaia and Turdetania, but IIRC you can't install type I government here). Are you sure you can't recruit them when these conditions are met?

    BTW, Spain and Egypt are the names of the vanilla R:TW factions: in EB these slots are taken by Lusotania and Carthage.
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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Nope Lusotanians require a level 5 regional barracks to recruit the Lancearii, this strikes me as a bug though.


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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Nope Lusotanians require a level 5 regional barracks to recruit the Lancearii, this strikes me as a bug though.
    Oh yes, I just recently discovered that the hard way.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Nope Lusotanians require a level 5 regional barracks to recruit the Lancearii, this strikes me as a bug though.
    That does sound like a bug. I am moving this to the main forum to see if we can get a response from the team there.
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    Yeah, no real reason the Lusotann would want to build type 4 governments in Iberia so why make the cavalry a lvl 5 barracks and not lvl 4 like Carthage? I'm on the side of a bug.
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    Whoop bumping up old thread, but is there a way for me to change it so I could at least recruit iberi lancearii in a level 3 gov. ?

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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    Whoop bumping up old thread, but is there a way for me to change it so I could at least recruit iberi lancearii in a level 3 gov. ?
    Are you playing as Lusotann? I'll try to help you, might take a while til I know the answer..
    It has to with copying the entries for iberi lanciari in the EDB to the right barracks me thinks, I'll try to get a more detailed answer soon.

    I'm quite sure this ought to do it:

    First make back-ups of your EDB.

    In the EDB (export_descr_buildings) search for:

    Code:
    city_barracks_F1 requires factions { spain, saba, } and building_present_min_level government gov3 and not hidden_resource not_here

    And then place this entry under it:

    Code:
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8 
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8

    And maybe we should wait for confirmation from an other member that this is correct, because I don't have too much experience with modding.
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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Yes that is how I would do it.


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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Better to made them available on level 4 Native MIC instead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    Better to made them available on level 4 Native MIC instead...
    That I could do, but was it meant that way?
    Then I should move all iberii units to the native MIC.

    BTW thx for the help Arthur, King of the Britons ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    BTW thx for the help Arthur, King of the Britons ;)
    No problem.
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    I would like to know how it was supposed to be meant, having the Iberii units in native or regional barracks?

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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    I would like to know how it was supposed to be meant, having the Iberii units in native or regional barracks?
    I'm not sure but I think native = factional. If you have a EB recruitment viewer, try using that and see if native is factional or not. For example see if Makedonia's pezhetareoi are considered native if so then native = factional. I'll go check this as soon as I get to my EB comp.
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    The Iovamann, caetranann, ambakaro (epones) etc. are shown as factional units whilst the iberi scutari and lanceari etc. are regional units just like the toxotai are for the Lusotannan. Now wouldn't it be that the Iberi units are supposed to be factional too? Like the Iovamann, ceatranann and ambakaro?

    Native is a confusing term for EB, cos you can look at it either way.
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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    The Iovamann, caetranann, ambakaro (epones) etc. are shown as factional units whilst the iberi scutari and lanceari etc. are regional units just like the toxotai are for the Lusotannan. Now wouldn't it be that the Iberi units are supposed to be factional too? Like the Iovamann, ceatranann and ambakaro?
    Hmm ok. Yeah I would also put them in the factional barracks. Do you need any more help on where exactly the entries for the units are to be placed? If so I think I will be able to help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons View Post
    Do you need any more help on where exactly the entries for the units are to be placed? If so I think I will be able to help.
    Yes that would be much appreciated, last time I tried to do edit something myself it led to the game getting CTD's when booting it ;)

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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    Yes that would be much appreciated, last time I tried to do edit something myself it led to the game getting CTD's when booting it ;)
    OK I'll be help you, might take a while til a get to my EB computer though, 1 hour or something.


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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Ok here we go.

    Step 1: First make back-ups for your EDB if you haven't done that already. This is very important.

    This is the entries for lanciarii:

    Code:
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8 
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian cavalry heavy lancearii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    And if you want to add iberi scutari then here are the entries:
    Code:
    recruit "iberian infantry medium scutarii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian infantry medium scutarii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource n4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian infantry medium scutarii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y
    recruit "iberian infantry medium scutarii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource n1 and hidden_resource n2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    recruit "iberian infantry medium scutarii" 0 requires factions { spain, } and hidden_resource NW and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource y1 and hidden_resource y2 and hidden_resource y4 and hidden_resource y8
    Also make sure that the entries line up the same way.

    Step 2: Search for
    Code:
    royal_barracks_F1 requires factions { spain, saba, } and building_present_min_level government gov1 and not hidden_resource not_here
    Step 3: place the entries under it.

    Step 4: Search for:
    Code:
    army_barracks_F1 requires factions { spain, saba, } and building_present_min_level government gov2 and not hidden_resource not_here
    And place the same entries under it.

    Step 5: Enjoy!

    If there are any other units you want to add please don't hesitate to ask.


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    I think, Iberians are not considered as native ones, in the recruitment viewer they are also mentioned as regional ones. The Lusotannan are not the same as the Iberians. If you decide to conquer the eastern provinces in Iberia one must decide if he wants to geht elite lustonnan soldiers OR elite iberian soldiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kival View Post
    I think, Iberians are not considered as native ones, in the recruitment viewer they are also mentioned als regional ones. The Lusotannan are not the same as the Iberians. If you decide to conquer the eastern provinces in Iberia one must decide if he wants to geht elite lustonnan soldiers OR elite iberian soldiers.
    I just find it ridiculous I have to make level 4 govs in my homeland to make the iberii units. Also I think it doesn't seem right that the Qarthadast have the same relationship with the iberi units as the lusotannan. BTW Ludens wrote above that they should be able in level 5 Factional barracks.

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    How will issues like this be addressed in EBII? Will we have to go through the trouble of governments? and go through the trouble of regional vs factional barracks?
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    Default Re: Recruiting Iberi Lancearii with the Lusotann?

    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    How will issues like this be addressed in EBII? Will we have to go through the trouble of governments? and go through the trouble of regional vs factional barracks?
    Foot wrote this regarding barracks:

    Quote Originally Posted by Foot View Post
    Units won't be recruited from barracks in EBII anyway (the majority won't anyways - some units, such as elephants or certain mercenaries, will need a specific building to help house them), and so this is not an issue.

    Also, a machmoi reform will be available. However, it will be player-led. The player will need to choose how their land is divided up. Giving out smaller plots will mean the machimoi will only be light troops. By increasing the size of the plots of land that can be owned by farmers, the machimoi will be able to equip and train themselves in a heavier fashion. This will lead to small numbers of machimoi being available for recruitment, however. It will be on a province by province basis, and dependent on how the player wishes to play the game.

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    And I think the EB team has said that the governments will be replaced by this new authority system, not sure about that one though


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    *ahem* Let's stay on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    *ahem* Let's stay on topic.
    Yeah I agree. Did the changes work properly BTW?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons View Post
    Yeah I agree. Did the changes work properly BTW?
    Can I see it in the recruitment viewer? Cos It will take a while before I have the factional level 5 barracks.
    I'm planning to make the changes this evening. I haven't been on the computer where EB is installed on.

    Edit: Can't find the royal barracks where I have to place it. I copied and pasted in the Ctrl F, but he can't find it.

    Second edit: My bad found it :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk Clown View Post
    Can I see it in the recruitment viewer? Cos It will take a while before I have the factional level 5 barracks.
    The recruiment viewer only show the unmodded EB unit info sadly. But if you have been able to start the game after you have made these changes then I'm pretty sure it works. If you want to just see if it work you can use the add_money and the process_cq cheat to build these barracks in an instant and thus see if they can build these units. You have made these changes right?


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    Nope unsuccesful, I got a CTD

    I don't get it, I put back the original (backup) and still get CTD's.
    Am I not allowed to change stuff? haha

    Seems like I have to reinstall everything again :P

    Edit: I have reinstalled everything again.
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